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05-25-2007 02:04 PM  13 years ago
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Al Gore on gas prices
From Larry King Live Transcripts:
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think it's a good thing that gas prices are high so that people don't use as much gas?

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KING: Uh-huh. Al?

GORE: Don't think it's a good thing that the increases are going to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela and the other suppliers of oil. Here is -- I have made what many regard as a radical and politically impractical proposal but I believe in it very deeply, Larry. Here it is what I think we ought to do.

I think we ought to eliminate the taxes on employment, the payroll taxes that discourage jobs and make it up dollar for dollar -- no tax increase, revenue neutral. Eliminate the payroll tax and make it up dollar for dollar with pollution taxes, principally C02 taxes and, yes, that would raise the price of gasoline but it would come back to the American people in the form of sharply reduced taxes on payrolls. And for those places where there was a difficult adjustment, make special provisions there because you would have the money to do it.
And half of America wanted this boob as president... We are in trouble!
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05-25-2007 02:25 PM  13 years ago
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ummm...actually look at the boob that is president now! we already got the worse one...we are already in trouble.
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05-25-2007 02:57 PM  13 years ago
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I think we ought to eliminate the taxes on employment, the payroll taxes that discourage jobs
So... Now he's a conservative?

At least Bush hasn't proposed a CO2 tax! What is that? Are we going to tax the very thing that plants breath now? I didn't know that CO2 was pollution. I thought CO2 was necessary for life on earth to exist. Gore needs a carbon foot print right up his a$$! Why does anybody even listen to his dribble.
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05-25-2007 03:05 PM  13 years ago
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Maybe you should read up on that one then....

It's not really as simple as that and ignorance might be your worst enemy.

CO2 is definitely necessary but the planet and it's inhibitants has that need covered long before we started burning oil etc..

I'm beginning to doubt the nick......
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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05-25-2007 03:15 PM  13 years ago
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There is NO real evidence that man made CFC's are damaging our atmoshphere. Global Warming is a hoax designed to scare everyone into believing that we are all going to die from it. What about volcanoes? They spew more pollution in one eruption, than man has created since the industrial age began! Get real
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05-25-2007 03:15 PM  13 years ago
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fwiw..

As long as Asia continues to grow, this whole issue is moot..What we really need is a birth tax..Anyone remember Soylent Green?

Bill Cutter.
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05-25-2007 03:20 PM  13 years ago
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There is NO real evidence that man made CFC's are damaging our atmoshphere. Global Warming is a hoax designed to scare everyone into believing that we are all going to die from it. What about volcanoes? They spew more pollution in one eruption, than man has created since the industrial age began! Get real
you say there's no real evidence, but find one researcher/scientist that isn't on the payroll of bush or an oil company to back that up. Come on man, take the blinders off and open up your eyes to different possibilities. Being skeptical is one thing, but if you're not an environmental research expert, you don't know squat just like the rest of us. We have to listen to the "experts" on both sides!
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05-25-2007 03:22 PM  13 years ago
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Who was talking about CFC?

We were talking CO2 weren't we?

If you don't know the difference I can understand you think it's a hoax.....

I'm glad those with knowledge isn't of the same opinion as you are, but yeah, my countrys total equals about 1 Chinese power plant on coal....

Was she the sister of Agent Orange maybe ?
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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05-25-2007 03:27 PM  13 years ago
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we were talking about co2, as with anything, there can be too much. Co2 is needed, as is oxygen for example. If there is too much of it, it can become deadly as well. Most of the "hoax" squealers don't understand what homeostasis or equilibrium means, and they shout Co2 is a naturally occuring gas, but if there is too much of it, there will be problems.
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05-25-2007 03:28 PM  13 years ago
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FYI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haloal...8CFC.2C_HCFC.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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05-25-2007 03:30 PM  13 years ago
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thank you tintin! good reference. It's hard for me to believe that there are people who still don't understand that global warming is an issue...similar to people who deny evolution.
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05-25-2007 03:54 PM  13 years ago
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I'd be willing to debate how much would have occured anyhow. I mean, the planet has a history about temperature changes, but there is really no doubt we are contributing the way we act now.

However too many seem to not care, just like they don't care when they throw garbage out the car window or dump their old fridge by the road and that goes just as much both for my generation as for those that will actually live to tell the difference. Personally I'll be dead and buried we're out of skiing possibilities...
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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05-25-2007 04:00 PM  13 years ago
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Thanks for the links TinTin! I do know the differences. I used CFC's as an example, not as a substitute. I do listen to scientists on both sides... And have come to the conclusion that Global Warming is based on bogus scientific claims. We can't even accurately predict what the weather will be in 5 days, yet you guys want to believe that we can predict the weather over the next hundred years. There is no reason to buy into the BS that you are accepting as fact...
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05-25-2007 04:08 PM  13 years ago
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you say there's no real evidence, but find one researcher/scientist that isn't on the payroll of bush or an oil company to back that up
I would say the same thing about any scientists that are publicly funded. If the global warming issue went away, so would their grants... So, show me one scientist that isn't on the public dole to back up your claims. Btw, the big oil companies and auto manufacturers are spending more than three times what our government is spending to develop alternative fuel sources.
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05-25-2007 04:16 PM  13 years ago
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Heck yeah, we have nothing to learn from history....
What is your theory on why the globe is getting warmer as we speak then? This fact you cannot dismiss as temperatures have been measured for a long time and they are clearly increasing...that is a fact in fact

If you believe volcanos can affect the climate, how come you don't belive compareable man made stuff will not ?

The effect that the Krakatoa had in 1883 diminshed in the period after the outbreak, but was clearly measureable while it lasted. Our outbreak is constant or increasing. Isn't it clear that if we want the effects of our outbreak to diminsh then we'll have to stop the outbreak?

What made you draw the conclusion it's bogus, any scientific experiments or at least conclusions about it or did you just lick your finger and stick it in the air to check which way the wind was blowing..?
Btw, the big oil companies and auto manufacturers are spending more than three times what our government is spending to develop alternative fuel sources.
And this they do because we will run out of oil or might there be an environmental idea behind it. Let's hear your educated guess on that one
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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05-25-2007 04:18 PM  13 years ago
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Btw, the big oil companies and auto manufacturers are spending more than three times what our government is spending to develop alternative fuel sources.
1stplace you have to be the biggest sucker on the planet. You have to be "F"en with us, no one can really be this dumb.
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05-25-2007 04:45 PM  13 years ago
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As for cliamte change I can look outside and see it. Currently in my area I can spot at least 5 species of animals that were not around when I was a kid, and all of them are coming from the warmer south. Also several species that were here, are not now, but I still see them when I travel further north.

Whether this is a natural cycle or not I cant say. But I will say that the sooner we wean ourselves off fossil fuels the better. If we were not dependant on middle eastern oil, there would be no fear of terrorism. If we were growing more crops to put into bio-diesel then that money would be staying here in the US and working for us, providing us jobs, paying for our kids education, helping our elderly . Nobody seems to want to talk about that part of it, they just want to hate on a certain politician that tried to bring it to everyones attention.

Another thing that I find funny is that alot, but not all, of the people that I have spoken to that believe manmade climate change is a hoax, have no trouble believing in the rapture and armageddon. Who's to say that armageddon won't be killing all the bee's and then slowly starving to death?
Repo man's got all day and all night! Lets go get a drink!
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05-25-2007 04:50 PM  13 years ago
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fwiw...

Natural history suggests warming /cooling cycles of the planet are perfectly normal...Whether we're causing this present cycle, if it is a cycle, or merely adding to it are open to debate.
What is not open to debate is that the Liberal left feels guilty about the supposed sucess and power of the US, and is determied to level the playing field..ALgore is a tool (literally) of the Vast left wing conspiracy.

Bill Cutter.
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05-25-2007 04:53 PM  13 years ago
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Who's to say that armageddon won't be killing all the bee's and then slowly starving to death?
HeHe... Bring it on! Something needs to purge the earth of all the morons
If you believe volcanos can affect the climate, how come you don't belive compareable man made stuff will not ?
Oh.. I don't know, maybe that man does not have the power to destroy the earth. You have way too much faith in the ability of mankind
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05-25-2007 04:54 PM  13 years ago
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Having watched "The Great Global Warming Swindle" , I'm convinced that man has nothing to do with it .

http://www.channel4.com/science/mic...ndle/index.html
At the end of the day , it gets dark .
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