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05-24-2007 12:51 PM  13 years ago
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Kinger

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90 size nitro machines a dying breed?
I'm just curious what you all think about the above statement. With the release of some of the new hot 50 class machines (electric or glow) will we still see a lot of 90 size machines flown in the coming years? Does new blood coming into the hobby still long to one day own one of the big machines considering the power being shown by these little hot rods? When I came into the hobby 5 years ago seeing guys like Curtis, JK, TB, Pete Niotis and others just flying the daylights out of their 90's made me set a goal that I'd one day be able to own and fly one of the big boys. Now with many of the top pilots flying the daylights out of 50's, will new blood coming into the hobby still have that same desire to one day get a big machine? Do folks still see benefits in owning a 90? Personally, I still do based on disc loading, visibility, stability and auto performance.
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05-24-2007 01:02 PM  13 years ago
grock

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Even so a 50 is the best for a beginner and great for an expert, there are some new 90 size machines in the market - Avant Aurora is one of them. This should be the best 3D machine ever made.. but still, a 50 can perform all the 3d maneuver that you will throw on it.

30 and 60 size machines will be disappear..50 will replace the 30 and the 60 will be replaced by the 90... there is no actual need for a 30 or a 60..
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05-24-2007 01:29 PM  13 years ago
RayJayJohnsonJr

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I think the 30 will always have a market, if only for the person looking to get in on the cheap, even if it's only marginally cheaper. That said, I've owned my last 30.

-Mark
There, their and they're. It's really that simple.
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05-24-2007 01:39 PM  13 years ago
Bart B

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You can't beat the pulse pounding a 90 brings.With a OS90 hyper it's awesome. More expensive,but worth it.I have 3 50's but I prefer the 90.
My first heli,Rappy with OS 37 is still goin' strong.I just fitted it for night flying,and took her up for the first time last night.Kewel!
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05-24-2007 01:55 PM  13 years ago
rexefekt

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the start stop bang factor of a 90 will never dissappear IMO. The disc loading is better for big, tight collective manouvers and the raw power they can produce is and will be always awesome.
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05-24-2007 05:16 PM  13 years ago
Qrrambero

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They will when YS comes with the 110 (I heard TB is testing one) and Os fallows.
You know male thing, bigger better.
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05-24-2007 05:50 PM  13 years ago
Envision

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I've just started flying this year after several hundred hours of sim time. Flew the 30 for a few weekends and almost have my 90 together. I figure it will be a while yet before I'm ready, buts its nice just having it.
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05-24-2007 06:13 PM  13 years ago
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I really think it would be a mistake for things to go bigger engine wise (90 for competition) as there is already enough punch to be had for the current crop of airframes. Another way is to possibly limit the rotor disc diameter?.

As soon as the FAI removed the engine limit on Plank aerobatics costs increased dramatically and the normal 'clubman' either ended up flying un-competitive models or just walked away. The idea of allowing bigger engine capacity backfired by being quickly followed by allowing larger airframes to cope with the new found power!

Another reason of allowing this was to try and reduced the noise levels by running 'big' motors at low rev's, but that kinda backfired as the noise footprint actually increased due to the increase in area of sky used for bigger models.

For most of us R/C helicopters are not a cheap hobby by any stretch of the imagination and I think it is a good thing the impact the 'new breed' 50's is having as it allows more people to enjoy 90 like performance without the associated costs. The 600N I've just got knocks spots of any 90 I've flown to date. I think that 90 size is a sensible balance against cost, power and danger...
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05-24-2007 06:32 PM  13 years ago
Kinger

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I agree with you Barney, I'm not sure something larger than a 90 size powerplant is all that great of an idea. Seems to me that machines right now are already at their limits in terms of vibration handling and wear.

I also agree that the 600N looks to really blow the doors off most (if not all) the 90's flying when it comes to pure speed. For me though, speed is only one part of the equation when it comes to a good flying experience. Just wondering if others feel the same or if most folks would drop their 90's if they could come across a quicker machine for 3D?
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05-24-2007 06:55 PM  13 years ago
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I think that as long as there are "Tim Allens" around (me included)from the Home Improvement sit com tv show then there will be enought guys who love the feeling of a machine growling and grunting along and one that is large. I got my Raptor 90 after seeing a few flying these big helis close to themselves doing funnels, hurricanes, flips. They seemed very stable and controllable.

If the 90 breed does thin out it would be because of the replacement cost of busted parts and gallons of nitro, otherwise seeing a well flown 90 is a great sight!
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05-24-2007 07:15 PM  13 years ago
concho

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if you take the time to compare prices
you will be amazed to find that parts for the raptor60
vs jr venture cp30 are cheaper
as an exemple wash out arm only for the cp $12.99
only the arms no base no links
raptor 60 $8.90 and that include arms link washers ect
clucth bell 17.99cp 13.00 rappy

it is true that a 30 size raptor is cheaper then a venture
i buy the venture becosed i live in montreal canada
and at the time only jr and hirobo parts were available
in quebec

of corse 90 heli kit cost more then a 50 size
if you are on a tight budget like i was
but considering all the parts i put to make it fly properly
jr $$$$$$$$parts it end up close to the price of a 60 size raptor

fuel consumption now
the tt70 drink about 20% more then a 50 hyper
the os 70 90 drink even more

a 90 or 60 size heli fly better in windy condition
engine are less fussy to tuned easy to see in the sky
controll are much steaddy then a 30 50 size
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05-24-2007 07:21 PM  13 years ago
concho

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and i forgot to say that the tt90 drink less compare to os
and its a good decent power engine easy starting smooth running
tt90 os 90 same guy built both of them
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05-24-2007 07:23 PM  13 years ago
RappyTappy

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I love my 90 and will never give it up. The new 50's are great, yes, but they are still just 50's. My 90 will cut through the air on windy days where as 50s just get blown around and bounce up and down alot more. The added torque of the motor and intertia of the blades also makes it really enjoyable for 3D as well. I will never give up nitro 90's, unless a 90 size electrics come along with reasonable batt prices and flight times.Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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05-24-2007 07:26 PM  13 years ago
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heck no what i think it is the 50 are getting pretty good but to replace the feel of flying such a big machine and thrill of 90 i dont think so i love my synergy would not trade it for 50
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05-24-2007 07:28 PM  13 years ago
RonHill

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I think the 90's will stay.

I have a 90 and the Trex Nitro. I like flying the Nrex since I get more flights out of a gallon. When I am flying my .50's I have two bottles of fuel and when I run out of one, I buy another gallon. With the Vibe I have two bottles, but when I run out, I buy TWO more.

But the 90 is more stable, handles wind better, and just sounds cooler when I get the blades to cavitate. Plus, there is just an aura about the 90's.

The .50's are getting a lot of "press" since they are the new toys being released. And most people will not own a 90, but will buy a 50.

If the Aurora ever is released it will spark an interest in 90's...Same thing applies if Align releases the N700 (Which I think will be out before the Aurora).
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05-24-2007 07:37 PM  13 years ago
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If the Aurora ever is released it will spark an interest in 90's...Same thing applies
I heard the reason for the Aurora delay was that they thought the 50 size market was hotter now so they decided at the last minute to shrink everything down and are waiting for shrink ray technology to catch up to their demands. This after being inspired by a Rick Moranis film. Might be awhile.
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05-24-2007 07:45 PM  13 years ago
JAGNZ

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No way! I just bought a Fury and that is my 2nd 90. Once I have a 600N that will be my 2nd 50. Love both sizes. 50's to thrash cheaply and 90's to dominate the sky. Both sizes will live on IMO.
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05-24-2007 07:57 PM  13 years ago
JRjoe

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Ahhhh, I don't think so...... Love my 90....
JRjoe.....
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05-24-2007 08:20 PM  13 years ago
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I am not remotely interested in a 90 nitro but if it was a 90 electric that would be worth considering www.m0kwr.com
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05-24-2007 08:59 PM  13 years ago
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I think there is a place for 30s, 50s, 60s and 90s and will be for some time to come. 30s are a very good choice for beginners as well as all other sizes. The 50s are great for everyone in all there various shapes and forms. 60s are good for scale ships where power isn't so important but economy is. 90s are great for big manouvers and due to their disc size, can do things no other heli can.
Then there are the plethora of new electrics......
There's now something for eveyone

Barneys point on the increased engine size for FAI planks is very valid. There was a national plank FAI competition at my field recently and I couldn't believe how expensive these planes are nowdays. This has resulted in a dramatic decline in the number of entrants as it's simply too expensive for most. The same would happen if helis got any bigger than the 90.
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