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05-24-2007 06:24 AM  13 years ago
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rroback

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airfoil issue...
So before I critic, I've got some nice things to say:

airfoil mini pro 1 is a sweet mount. It's strong, decently light, and a good design. I can't wait to use it, and I'm sure it will be great. That being said, I got a question. On airfoil's site it says made from alumnium and carbon fiber, but I see two issues. I obviously see the al. but the carbon I'm not sure about. I'm assuming the legs are actually pultruded carbon, although it seems everyone says that and sneaks in black died fiberglass, but I hope airfoil in genuine with that. My bigger issue is with the carbon mounting plate. I'm hoping you all know it's not actually carbon, but rather something covered by 'fake" carbon, basically monokote that looks like carbon. I saw both a t-rex size mount, and my mini pro 1 have the same thing. The t-rex camera plate was made out of wood! covered in this c.f. covering. What's with that? use al, or use real carbon. why the b.s.? It's quite lame.
Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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05-24-2007 06:35 AM  13 years ago
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a buddy of mine came in from out of state last weekend who has one. I noticed the same. The old mounts used to have real carbon camera plates but now they appear to be birch ply wrapped with a sticker.

still works but kind of startles you when you drill a hole in it and sawdust comes out.

still... it does appear to be a really fine mount aside from the cheapo walmart style camera plate.

I am impressed with the tig welding and other AN hardware bits
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05-24-2007 01:20 PM  13 years ago
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We changed the camera mounting plate about 1 1/2 ago to 5 ply wood covered with carbon monokote. We did this due to the fact the wood is easier to work with and we had complaints from customers about having to drill carbon fiber. It also came in 3 oz's lighter. We saved every
oz on the Mini.

You are the first one to say anything about it. Cost is about the same but the new plate is easier to work with.

Hope this helps.
John
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05-24-2007 02:14 PM  13 years ago
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I really like my MP1 but did think it was a little "tricky" that it came with a wood camera plate. A CF (or G10) plate with a routered slot would compliment the rest of the high quality mount.

I asked the same question over at APlanding when I first received mine.
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05-24-2007 05:43 PM  13 years ago
AceBird

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5 ply wood covered with carbon monokote.
The ply wood wouldn’t bother me at all but how does the monokote stay bonded to the wood? I would rather see the wood laminated with glass or a thin layer of aluminum foil.
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05-24-2007 08:23 PM  13 years ago
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In my home made plates with plywood, put some synthetic resin and im very happy with strong and lightweight structure.Sometimes use carbon leafs before glue it, so give the "carbon look" so easy..

Bill
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05-24-2007 08:45 PM  13 years ago
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I copied this from the website for the mini pro 1.

"We are certified welding and CNCing almost every part, and again the mount is made from 6061T6 aluminum and Carbon fiber. The mount also incorporates metal geared servos and the proven clutch release system on the tilt function as well as hydraulic Roll dampening. Servo torque is 300oz on the pan and 147oz on the tilt. The Mini Pro1 has 6"of roll compensation along with the 360 drgees of pan and a 160degrees of tilt."

"We didn't cut any corners the mount ts built as strong as the Pro1 but lighter and smaller."

I don't see any carbon on the mount.
Shouldn't it say wood mount base and fiberglass legs?
Also "hydraulic Roll dampening"?? Do you mean o-ring dampening??

You might also think about using something other then 6061T6 strapping on the camera mount frames as it is creating stress cracks when you bend it to that tight radius.

Great top frames and gearing on the pan axis!! Still a nice mount
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05-24-2007 10:32 PM  13 years ago
bill the greek

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In fact,personaly dont mind if its from carbon or plywood or something else.This think work? Ok, nothing else.

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05-24-2007 10:51 PM  13 years ago
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Performance is everything in my humble opinion and the carbon was a pain in the arse to deal with. The simple fact of the matter is, the performance that I am seeing out of my system is the best I have yet to acheive out of any of the systems that I have used! If it is lighter and looks & functions the same I don't personaly see the problem. Just to be safe and to appease everyone I am sure that he could state that the new plate design is a high tech lighter weight layered composite!
I myself choose to fly more and bitch less....

FB
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05-25-2007 04:14 AM  13 years ago
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Drilling the old carbon plate sucked, I'll take the wood any day! That carbon dust was brutal...

"Fly more and bitch less" Hey, I like that!

Brad
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05-25-2007 04:21 AM  13 years ago
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I don't mind the wood, I mind the misadvertising. Why not just keep it wood? Carbon is a pain to deal with...Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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05-25-2007 06:00 AM  13 years ago
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AirfoilAviation You said:
"You are the first one to say anything about it. Cost is about the same but the new plate is easier to work with."

Carbon plate that size cost the same as wood? Give me your source for carbon plate or let me sell you wood!! Is it easier to work with or easier on your profit margin?

Also "hydraulic Roll dampening"?? What's up with that? The mount is hung via a $2 clevis with a couple of o-rings.

Do I get credit to be the first one to say something about that?

FYI
hy·drau·lic

ADJECTIVE:
Of, involving, moved by, or operated by a fluid, especially water, under pressure.

I put a couple of pictures of the mount in my gallery if anyone wants to check it out. Sorry they're so blurry.

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05-25-2007 10:25 AM  13 years ago
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This is what Carbon fiber on a professional mount looks like……..cheeky cheeky

K R Attwell
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05-25-2007 11:06 AM  13 years ago
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Nice kit. Where is from?

Bill
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05-25-2007 01:56 PM  13 years ago
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The Clevis is more than $2. Check aircraftspruce.

The Mini Pro 1 is a very nice designed mount. Its built like a tank...a very lightweight tank.

I can totally understand that working with wood is much easier than CF and the current plate works with no problems. I just like the plates that have a slot in them so no drilling is needed and a using different camera does not require separate holes.

The plate is a VERY minor detail to complain about on a otherwise great designed/built mount.

As far as the marketing,I agree it could use some polishing but then again the product "just works".
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05-25-2007 02:38 PM  13 years ago
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Drilling the old carbon plate sucked
Not to mention you had to use a wet saw if you wanted to cut it.

Nice Kimberley!

Tony
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05-25-2007 03:33 PM  13 years ago
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I have no idea why idolminds is having an attitude. The $2 dollar clevis cost is $29.00! It's certified! The Eye bolt it hangs from is $9.00 and yes its certified, even the Orings are certified.

I only use true aircraft material. My parts don't come from Home Depot.

Sorry about the hydraulic dampening mistake. It was done by Eric and I didn't catch it. He probably has corrected it now. By the way the legs are carbon which we buy in bulk and yes have to be cut wet.

If you don't want the mount ship it back. You will get full credit. We are back ordered now.

Here's pictures.
http://www.airfoilhelicam.com/minipro1.php
Watch the video and look close at how it works.

John
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05-25-2007 05:18 PM  13 years ago
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I've got one of the Mini Pro 1's as well as several other mounts made by Airfoil-they have all been great, but the Pro 1 is by far the best one to date! I use it every week, and getting the right shot has never been easier-it actually took some time to get used to not hearing my cameraman say "OK-a little to the right...now a little to the left...now back right." We just go up and get the shots. When it's all over at the end of the day it's about getting the shot that you want and doing it in the most effective manner possible. Should the website have been updated sooner to reflect the design changes?-probably. Does the lite ply or O ring dampening detract from the mounts ability to do it's job?-absolutely not. This is such a cottage market and it is the buyer's responsibility to not only do the research and find the best path to the results that they are seeking, but to ask questions and make sure that you are paying for the EXACT tools that you need. I am sure that John would have told anyone that asked what the exact materials of the mount were top to bottom, and as fast as this industry changes that should be part of anyones research if they are that concerned. Remember back two years ago when you needed the biggest gas bird you could find to shoot stills and electrics were all running NiMh packs? I'm glad those days are gone, even though no one updated me the day those changes started hitting the streets

Can't wait to see the Pro 1 next week John-If you make any changes to it between now and then don't worry-I still want it!
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05-25-2007 05:40 PM  13 years ago
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If you don't want the mount ship it back. You will get full credit.
Even though I don't intend to buy one of these mounts, $600 for what I see on a fully assembled device of this nature looks very reasonable. How can you compare that to a box of parts?

John is willing to take it back at full credit so you shouldn't be unhappy now.

FYI the 6061 T6 can be bend very easily if heat is applied to the bend. This will leave the temper in the straight sections that need it for bending stesses around the pivot.
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05-25-2007 05:40 PM  13 years ago
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Idolminds and I are not saying the mount sucks ( although the gimbal lacks) our issue was with the word choice on your site. I guess you're off the hook because the legs are carbon, but I feel the use of wood covered in monokote was a way to trick those who might not have know that, and that is much, much cheaper then buying and cutting carbon. You already agreed the hydraulic part is also non existent.Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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