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05-23-2007 10:57 AM  13 years ago
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paul999

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benzin or turbine
hi guys

i need some help in deciding on my next scale project i am going to build a vario ec145 it will be a long project to do as im taking my time with over the next year,thing is id like to use the pht3 turbine but i have no exp with turbines nor does any of my mates at my club i guess i could get help for setting up getting it running from my local hobby shop who deals with turbines ect.

what i would like to know is would it be a mistake to go into turbines not knowing how to set them up and fly them ect or should i go the gasser route any advice would be most appreciated

many thanks guys
paul
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05-23-2007 11:34 AM  13 years ago
dazzaster

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depends on whether or not you all ready ahve experience on gassers, if you have had experience with a gasser and you have got use to the size then why not go with turbines, youve got to start somewhere.
that said you may be better of if your first turbine is a pod and boom and get used to flying it first before putting it in a scale.
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05-23-2007 12:27 PM  13 years ago
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Are you planning on useing a two bladed head or a four bladed head. Either of the two will move the blades with no problem but the control of the four blade head is different then a two blade with a flybar.

I am working on an EC 145 too. You can see some of my build pictures here: http://www.scalerchelis.com/g2/main...45-REGA-HB-ZRC/ I have a Benzin with a four blade head. I am used to the gasser but not the rotor head. As dazzaster said
...you may be better of if your first turbine is a pod and boom and get used to flying it first ...
this would be my advise too weather you are going to do the turbine or not. I am still flying the Benzin as a P&B.

If you will use a flybar head fly the turbine as P&B to learn the heli and the mech. before you put it in the fuse. If you will be useing a 4 blade head fly the turbine as P&B with the flybar to learn the heli and the mech. before you put it in the fuse. THEN, once you know the mech., switch to the 4 bladed head and get used to flying that. This way you are not trying to learn two things at once.

Good luck on whatever you decide to do. In any case please post pictures of your build.

Take care,
Christopher
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05-23-2007 12:28 PM  13 years ago
paul999

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hi darren

thanks for the advice iv seen that jetline uk do a pht3 pod and boom think its called a hotcat i will look into that avenue

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paul
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05-23-2007 12:36 PM  13 years ago
paul999

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hi chris

i was going to use the two blade head as iv heard to many bad things about multi heads with set up using mixers ect and i want to fly it and have fun prehaps a multi might be a thought in the future when i need another challenge,thanks for the link to your build so far it looks great also the reason i went for the ec145 is because you can get nice scale parts for it from cine scale ect and also it has a normal rotor and not the fenestron so hopefully it will fly with less hassel

many thanks
paul
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05-23-2007 02:23 PM  13 years ago
Airwolf crazy

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Greetings,

I have seen the EC 145 done using a flybar head done very well. I can understand why people do not use the multi heads as they are very touchy. The Eastcoast Vario Rep., Joe Howard, help me through the set up process (over the phone) and mine flys very well. It is stable in the hover and what little forward flight I have done has been smooth.

Learning to fly a multi head is just like learning to fly when you were brand new. At least that is how I felt when I started to fly mine. I would encourage you to take the challenge someday and fly one. I am having fun with it. I do understand and respect your choice.

I have purchased a bunch of parts from Cine-Scale. He has some nice stuff and is a pleasure to talk with.

Take care,
Christopher
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05-23-2007 02:43 PM  13 years ago
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Hi Paul,
Don't be scared of the turbine ,you just need to respect the machinery , and be methodical about your build , with plenty attention to detail.Most of the guys on RR have so to speak been through the mill , as regards to hellis and they are eager to help.It would be a great idea financially to go tubine POB first , this also helps to keep your pants clean on your first outing , many people are to some extent intimidated by the size , and the sound of the turbine.I myself have the PHT3 in a NH90 , it is easier to run than any nitro I've ever had , and , if you follow the manufacturers specs for setting the pitch etc up , you can,t go wrong.
Once you are used to flying the helli then you will have the experience to change the settings to suit yourself , and in any case there are many knowledgable turbine guys as pointed out above , and are more than willing to help you with any questions.
WHAT GOES UP MUST SURELY COME DOWN.
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05-23-2007 09:04 PM  13 years ago
paul999

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thanks guys

i have decited to go with the turbine as i really want to end up with a proper scale heli with the sound and smell to go with it iv checked a few prices for a hotcat pod and boom it comes to £5ooo without radio gear so now im in a state again as for that price i could get the pht3 ec145 fuz and all the assesorys i need plus radio gear i can only afford one or the other ie if i went pod and boom i might not be able to afford the fuz asseorys scale stuff and good paint job later on.

what i was thinking of doing is set the mechanics up in the fuz so its able to fly minus any detail or scale work just basic then get it set up by a well known heli pilot here in england so i know it flys and get use to it before i scale it up to the hilt its something i will have to think on very seriously as a lot of money is involved as you guys know,i will keep you informed how things develop

thanks for all your replys
paul
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05-24-2007 04:15 PM  13 years ago
heliraptor

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Hi Paul

Did you ever finish the Essex Air Ambulance ?? Any pics ???

Have a look at Len Mounts turbine model, pretty solid setup, and the mechs are well suited for scale applications, not sure which one is best, Oddysey or Tomahawk, you'll have to ask him. Len is also only down the road (Gravesend) and I know if you bought one he would help set it up and talk you right through it from the word go.

Worth thousands of anyones money.

Just a thought, he's a decent guy and will help out where he can.

http://www.lenmountscalefuselages.com

Lee
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05-26-2007 10:02 PM  13 years ago
paul999

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hi lee

yes the fuz is finished but the mechanics are still in pod and boom only had the chance to fly it once so far and seems it will need a bit of setting up, whats happend is iv got into a few other projects and the ec has been left but i will have it up and flying by next month i hope,i dont think i can upload pics of it on here i could always e mail you some.

thanks for the link to lens site but i want to do the ec145 and its a shame len does not do that fuz and i bet you can guess the one i want to model it on ?? yes the new met one at lippits hill i will have to write to them and see if they will let me come and take some pics of it, hows the flying going i dont get the chance to crew the air ambulance now lots of changes there and they are not taking any more crew on,hows the huey build going have to say its a must for the lhc cup when its done

regards
paul
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05-26-2007 10:23 PM  13 years ago
paul999

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hi guys dont know if this pic will cone out but this is one of my helis i still have to get flying

regars
paul
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