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05-22-2007 01:45 AM  13 years ago
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Help! - Problems with CC110HV
I was getting in a test flight with my eraptor when suddenly the motor cutout. Lucky enough I wasn't too far from the ground and I auto'ed in the bird. I checked out the speed controller and it wouldn't arm. I unpluged everything and tried it again only to find that the red light on the esc would just blink and never arm. I tried lowering the negative throttle % more and it still wouldn't arm. When I got home, I started up the Castle link program only to find that the esc won't link with the computer anymore. I'm stuck and I have no idea what's going on. The esc is brand new, maybe a month old from towerhobbies.
It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 04:04 AM  13 years ago
litespeed600

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You need to call CC customer service. I just got a proplem resolved with my 85HV tonite. Call Bernie at

Bernie Wolfard
Product Support Supervisor
Castle Creations
235 S Kansas Ave
Olathe, KS 66061
913-390-6939 Ext 123

Very helpfull, got me going in a flash. Thier customer service is great!

Tom
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05-22-2007 03:05 PM  13 years ago
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A couple of the guys where I fly found that the new software, version 1.5.2 I think was casing their esc to cut out, said that version 1.5.1 is much better version with no troubles.
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05-22-2007 03:22 PM  13 years ago
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How about this...
permanently fix the problem by getting a Jazz controller...you won't regret it...

I used to love the castle stuff for it's inexpensiveness and features....but I soon realized that the cheaper up front cost ended up costing me more in the long run...I have since migrated all my helis to Jazz controllers...

If you're ESC will not link then you'll need to send it back...When you get it back ...sell it...
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05-22-2007 03:59 PM  13 years ago
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I got a response from CC and the reply I received was a static discharge that might have zapped the RX signal driver transistor. I will be sending in the esc. Is anyone familiar with static charge and discharge with a helicopter? I'm new to the idea of grounding things like the tailboom to the main frame or to the negative side of the input power. I had a momentary loss of control with my eraptor running an ar7000 before this incident happened.

As for the jazz esc, is there a model that can handle up to 12s? The jazz 55 handles up to 10s, correct? I wouldn't mind trying another esc but there doesn't seem to be many options for 12s besides CC, SAE (which I don't know where to get), and Jeti.
It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 04:00 PM  13 years ago
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Oh and I believe I'm running v1.51.It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 04:44 PM  13 years ago
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POWERJAZZ.....will handle up to 15S
This is a Kick AS$ controller....I just got one for my Estratus...it's programmable and works great...

Definitely worth the money

check this out... http://www.espritmodel.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=5733
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05-22-2007 06:33 PM  13 years ago
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Why are you using a CC HV110? The HV85 is the best ESC for 12s in a Raptor E-Series. The bigger and more complicated an ESC is the more parts that can fail.

Power Jazz – LOL – that thing is incredibly large, heavy, and expensive, a real boat anchor. It would be nice if they would make a high voltage Jazz in a smaller size.

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05-22-2007 07:34 PM  13 years ago
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I was using a CCHV110 because I got a good deal on it so I said why not. The power jazz is large, it's even got its own fan. I don't think I'd be able to overload something like that let alone the CCHV110.

I'm still searching and filtering through posts about static discharge. Have any of you guys ever been hit by something like that? I just can figure out why I had no control over my heli. When I got to the crash site, the cyclic servos were responding but the tail servo wasn't. I may try grounding the boom to the negative side of the battery system but I'm not sure that is necessary.
It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 07:41 PM  13 years ago
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Castle Creations Controllers
Well, the funny thing is that Castle Claims their controllers are designed to work safely on 12S....YET...they know there is a high percentage of failures at 11S and 12S ....I had a brand new 85HV that fried my brand new ACTRO 32-3 a couple weeks ago...do a search here and you'll see that while CC claims their HV controllers are safe on 12S reality shows that you're rolling the dice...especially if you are running in the gov mode...

At 11s and 12S voltages the HV controllers are very close to their maximum handling....weird thing is that I know of at least 4 people that have had issues running their HV controllers over 10S...Of course Castle will not admit to this...

Keep your eyes open for the new Jazz 100A controller that's coming out very soon. It will fill the 12s void between the jazz 55 and the Powerjazz...

As far as Static discharge I think it's a load of BS. I have several HV electric helis and have never had an issue with Static discharge...There is a small amount of disharge that can happen and create a "glitch" in non dx7 systems but I have never heard of it taking someone out. I think that was their way of "excusing" the failure of the ESC. Do a search about static discharge and you'll see that it typically just invloves grounding the tailshaft and boom...
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05-22-2007 08:00 PM  13 years ago
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Really? I didn't know that I was playing it risky by using a CC esc for my eraptor. I'm also running in governor mode and thought it worked okay but that was for two flights before I got my loss of control. I've been looking for other options as far as HV ESCs. I'm trying to figure it out and haven't the first clue so I'm going through process of elimination with as much know-how as I've got. The things that led me to static discharge were some posts about static discharge affecting spektrum receivers and also because of what Patrick from CC said that the problem could be with the ESC. Here's what I'm thinking so far:
-Static discharge
-Receiver unbinded

Here's some details of what happened during the loss of control:
-No cyclic
-No throttle control
-Constant piros (not fast)
-No throttle hold

I'm thinking if the receiver unbinded, wouldn't the esc no longer see a signal and therefore shutdown? If the receiver saw no signal and went into failsafe I have the throttle/pitch set at full negative which would've plow the heli into the ground but it was upright and alive the entire time.
It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 08:06 PM  13 years ago
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CC figured out and corrected the high voltage problem late last year. There are probably still some of the old ones on dealers shelves. CC will upgrade to hardware for free no matter how old the HV ESC is – contact CC tech support.

Hear is a link that describes the problem and solution from the designer Patrick del Castillo himself.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...89&postcount=36

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05-22-2007 08:13 PM  13 years ago
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Rx power?
What are you using to get power to your rx? If there is a temporary disturbance in the power supply or a voltage drop that could cause a temporary loss of control during reboot? but I haven't heard of losing the binding...

Have you tried the motor on another ESC yet? There is a chance you may have smoked the motor just like I did ...I know of at least 3 others who've had the same issue..

You may want to see if the motor even works now...

What CC fails to mention in that notice is that while the ESC is Fu**ing up it fries your motor in the process...and guess what...they won't pay for it...I just went through this 3 weeks ago...and mine happened on a new controller on 11S...so don't believe it when they tell you all the bugs are worked out...I don't ....

This was my Brand new Actro before the castle 85HV....exactly zero flights later it Smoked on spoolup...

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05-22-2007 09:14 PM  13 years ago
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RX power comes from an align 6amp bec with a 2 cell li-ion pack. I will try another esc with the motor to see if it works when I get it. That really sucks what happened to you. Burning an Actro motor must hurt, I know that motor isn't cheap.It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 09:34 PM  13 years ago
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Actro----
It only took me 5 weeks of waiting and 300$ to get that Actro...no biggie

so when I think about a damn 150$ controller smoking the 300$ motor I had to order from Germany that just burns me .......

needless to say I invested in the powerjazz and all is great now....oh yeah...and I had toget a new Actro 32-3 also ....

An expensive lesson learned ..........

did the ESC start to act like the Governor wasn't working right before it died? That's the tell tale sympton of an impending burn...
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05-22-2007 09:50 PM  13 years ago
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Well two incidents, two different reactions.

The lockout, right before it happened, fellow pilots told me they heard a weird noise like a wind up noise right before the heli went out of control. No control whatsoever regardless of input from the radio.

The motor cutting out was a test flight after repairs had been made to the eraptor. I was working on minute two, brought the heli in closer and next thing you know, the motor cuts out. Lucky I wasn't too high up and I had enough momentum for an auto and a rather painless landing.

Both setups were the same as far as settings on the esc, just different gyro logictech 6100t on the first 401/9254 on the second and regulator align 3amp on the first and align 6amp on the second.
It's just one of those heli days...
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05-22-2007 11:43 PM  13 years ago
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Jag, did you ever stop to think think that the motor may have caused the failre you described? I've read several cases where the windings inside the motor weren't coated properly or something had rubbed or been abraded during manufacturing, causing a bad short which not only fries the motor, but also instantly overloads the ESC.

I don't really understand how an ESC could fry a motor unless it managed to dump 100% current through a single pole or all poles long enough to generate heat and cause damage.. Otherwise, if there was a short in the ESC it would have shorted before it got to the motor. If there was a short in the motor, that's a GUARANTEE that both will be destroyed, which I've seen happen. Even if they're "tested" before they leave the factory, they may simply put a small voltage across the inputs to see if it turns properly, a 12s setup would easily arc through bad insulation.

Most of the CC85HV and CC110HV problems have been long since resolved. If the Governor isn't working properly, try straight throttle curves. One part of the problem stems back to the current generated by the off-phase. It has something do do with it being a perfect voltage level with something else in the ESC that causes the governor to malfunction...

I know CC has had issues with their ESC's in the past but CC is always quick to resolve these issues... Buying another brand (German or not) doesn't mean 100% perfection either. I've read threads of Jazz failures and have already read a few threads of the Powerjazz failures as well. If there's so few of them (PJ), that's already an awfully high percentage...

If an ESC has been damaged, it VERY rarely means the motor gets damaged as well. I wouldn't really suspect a static discharge, but anyhting is possible. If the ESC was near the carbon frame or the metal boom, there's a slim possibility that it could have arced through the ESC, or through the ESC Rx leads if the tail servo leads were nearby (since you mentioned the tail servo wasn't responding either)... I wouldn't suspect CC's customer service to really blow smoke up anyone's sphincter, they are good people and there's countless people running 12s on CC ESC's without fail.

The lockout problem is beyond me... I have no idea how that could have happened. Do you have any high-res pictures of your setup?
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05-23-2007 01:33 AM  13 years ago
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Here's some pictures of my setup on the eraptor. Nothing crazy, just some quick snaps as requested.



It's just one of those heli days...
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05-23-2007 02:57 AM  13 years ago
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Hey tcfrum323,

Very nice!

If you grab your motor from the top can you pull the top up? On mine I can lift the "outrunner" part up till the pinion touches the base. Is this right? I've had Axi's, Rim-Fire and Plettyberg (?) motors and none do this. I bought this Z50A-600 about 4 months ago and never used it yet.

Thoughts?

Tom
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05-23-2007 03:08 AM  13 years ago
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Hi Tom, thanks. The top part of the motor does come out a bit as you described but I believe that this is okay. I used to have justgofly outrunner motors and they were the same way. I had to replace a bell once and all you had to do was pull it apart and insert the new bell. The z50a600 is a great motor although my opinion is strictly to this motor alone. Running the a123s, flight times are about 6 minutes till the batteries dump so I limit flights to about 5 minutes. For the 5 minutes though, the power is pretty good. I recently changed to mah603s from TT600s and the cyclic snap was a huge difference. I wish I could've tested them more but the motor cut out, hence this thread.It's just one of those heli days...
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