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05-21-2007 06:39 PM  13 years ago
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Hanzo

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Raptor, Airskipper or Align600N
I decided I need something bigger than my Trex450, mainly because of the wind we get here along to coast of Norway. I think the 50 size will be the best bet. I have been holding on for the 500, but im afraid thats still not gonne be large and heavy enough to windy conditions we get here.

600 eletric would rock, but with the cost and short flighttime of batterys that not gonna happen, so im forced to go Nitro on thisone.

So that leaves me with 3 options, TT raptor, JR Airskipper, or Align 600N.

Im flying alot lately, mainly on the sim cause of the wind, and im doing FFF, cirquits, rolls and loops. I want something im not gonna outgrow the first year or so. However, I guess that a mad 3d machine might not be optimal eather. Im moving more and more towards basic aerobatics, so I want something thats calm and nice enough to give me a stable steady hover, yet lively enough to do some flips, rolls and stuff like this.

The raptor is everywhere, and most seems to think they are good value for the money. But my local shops sells the JR airskipper with the O.S 50 hyper and a JR tailpipe for just abit more than the Raptor with the TT50 engine, and that looks much more temption. Parts aint that bad from what I have seen, but im forced to forever shop at my local shop I guess if I get one of those. People with experience with the JR are few and fare apart as well, another minus.

So that leaves me with the 600 Nitro. I love my Trex450, and if Align has the same success with the 600N, it's a winner. But will the 600 with the OS 50 Hyper be to lively and jumpy for one at my level? Is it more of a 3D expert machine? Will the Pro or basic verson best suit a beginner?
There not much information about it yet, no reviews and hardly any flightreports cept for very very experienced people.

Odds are I will get a 600 electric down the road, but im guessing the electric still needs atleast a couple of years more of evolution before im ready to walk that road.

I would love any and all comments and though on the subject. I will order me a 50 bird as soon as I can come to a decision, but im having a really hard time selecting.
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05-21-2007 06:52 PM  13 years ago
QuantumPSI

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Quite honestly, it doesn't sound like you're a beginner. If you can handle the Trex 450, I'm sure you can handle anything else that's out there. Between the 3, I advocate for the 600N. Why? Because I don't like Raptors, the Airskipper is heavy, and the 600N is better designed than both IMO. In terms of it being "too light" it's very easy to add weight to these things if you really wanted to. You won't go wrong with either, but 600N clearly has the most potential to grow with you.

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05-21-2007 07:06 PM  13 years ago
airboss

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same
all helis are not created equal,but,which ever you choose make sure it has parts support...they dont fly broken and 3 weeks later while waiting for parts you may get dissapointed.
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05-21-2007 08:05 PM  13 years ago
joeycoates

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I agree, choose the best airframe that has local and widespread parts support. In the past I would have said Raptor as I have one and really like it, but if I were to buy something today it would be the 600n. You KNOW that people will be carrying Trex parts, it is cheap for you and good money for them.
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05-21-2007 08:57 PM  13 years ago
RonHill

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The raptor is everywhere, and most seems to think they are good value for the money
I personally think that says it all.

Raptor: tried and true design that you have local support for and crash parts are resonable.

Airskipper: Nice design, a little heavy IMO, but not a lot of local support from what you say and the prices are higher.

Nrex: Nice design, you don't have local support YET...Might anyday, but my LHS does not have spare frames, clutch...ect for them yet. Cheap to crash unless you really smoke it in (pro). The sport version will be out in a few mths...By then the Pro's drive train will be a little battle tested and maybe your LHS will start to carry parts.

If my LHs does not carry parts, I don't fly that machine. I hate waiting for a part.

If you can wait, I'd wait for the sport rex. If not, I'd buy a Raptor.
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05-21-2007 09:08 PM  13 years ago
Hanzo

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Sports version? Is that what some call the basic version with the belt drive instead of the tube?
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05-21-2007 09:53 PM  13 years ago
QuantumPSI

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Yes and G10 frames and plastic canopy...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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05-21-2007 10:10 PM  13 years ago
RCHeliJim

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If my LHs does not carry parts, I don't fly that machine. I hate waiting for a part
If that was the case around here we would all be flying Blade CPs


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05-21-2007 10:19 PM  13 years ago
Louisiana Helicam

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Local support, in terms of support from a local hobby shop, really only means something to around 10% of the users on here. I wouldn't base any choices on that.

Field support? Well, I managed to get into this hobby and figure all of this out without any support (neither field nor LHS) other than online support.

That being said and getting back to the topic...I vote for the 600N. I really think you'll get more for your money with this machine.
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05-21-2007 10:39 PM  13 years ago
rexefekt

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guys i think he was actually saying his LHS supported the AS50....

but that meant he would have to shop there - trust me, if your LHS ACTUALLY supports a heli propoerly then you are lucky and its a good thing. I have to order all my parts as they arent on the wall, but then i only wait overnight or 2 days at most really so i cant whine too much...
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05-21-2007 11:05 PM  13 years ago
Louisiana Helicam

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I'd still get my parts online even if my LHS actually did support my heli (or any heli for that matter). Their prices suck.www.louisianahelicam.com
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05-21-2007 11:06 PM  13 years ago
Hanzo

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Indeed, my LHS has the AS50. But to me that dont mean much. Sure I can go get the parts when needed there, but parts here in Norway are roughly twice the prices of what I can get from Heliready.com. And even when shipped from US to Norway, it only takes a week. I have my Trex450 to fly if im missing parts for my 600. I try to stock the more common items as well.

Seems like im getting a Align600 then, thanks for all your input guys
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05-22-2007 02:41 AM  13 years ago
BJames111

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The raptor is a great flying heli despite the fact that it's an older design. The trex 600n looks very promising! It will be more expensive to pile it in than the raptor though. The airskipper is a nice machine but a bit on the portly side, and prices for parts may be more than the other two.

If it were me, at this point I'd pick the trex 600N
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05-22-2007 02:59 AM  13 years ago
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Raptor, Airskipper or Align600N
I have to agree with ViperHawk. The LHS here caters to plankers and offroad backyard bashers and does not care to stock anything else, but yet they still want our business despite the frustration in dealing with them and their overpricing.

Once I wadded up my Raptor a few times I started ordering spares by the 3's for most parts. Heliproz and Helihobby get me my stuff just as fast as my LHS would receive it in. I you like flying or like me now addicted to flying you'll do the same. I feel field support can be very crucial as I have learned from everyone having Raptors or Gohbees for reference.

But as long as you have an experienced heli pilot to answer a few questions he can get you pointed in the right direction.

Now that I've been flying since January first with a blade and 2 months ago purchased a used Raptor and learned to repair, diagnose and do mild 3d I'll have the Basic TREX600 asaa!!!

I would make my decision based on these.

1. QUALITY in which all three of the helis you're considering are.
2. Parts pricing
3. Personal favorite
4. Parts support (decent mail order supplier)

As fair priced as Align's prices are and quantities included in most spares build up an arsenal, sooner or later you will need them. I'm not trying to sway you to much towards the TREX600 nitro though!
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05-22-2007 03:26 AM  13 years ago
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Raptor, Airskipper or Align600N
Are you KIDDING?????

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05-22-2007 08:34 AM  13 years ago
uragem

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Really two choice because the Airskipper is too heavy:

Raptor Titan w/ Kasama head - approx. $600
Trex600N Pro - comes w/ glass canopy, CF frames and torque tube $600
or wait till July and get:
Trex600N (nonpro) plastic canopy and frames, belt drive - approx $400

To summarize:

Going forward and w/ cheaper parts is Align:
So if the upgrades are important go for the Trex600n Pro otherwise wait and save the money for the Trex600n - standard

Still looking back w/ more expensive parts (than Align) is Raptor:Raptor Titan w/ Kasama Head
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05-22-2007 11:12 AM  13 years ago
opti

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WELL I HAVE A AIRSKIPPER AND IM VERY HAPPY WITH IT .ITS MY FIRST HELI SO I DONT KNOW MUCH,BUT IT HOVERS ROCK SOLID AND FLIES GREAT,FLIPS AND ROLLS ETC,IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE I CAN FIND ITS LIMITATIONS.I THINK ITS BUILD QUALITY IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE RAPTOR,AND ISNT THAT MUCH DEARER.IF YOUR LOCAL GUY SELLS THE AIRSKIPPER I WOULD BUY IT ,YOU WONT REGRET IT,I HAVENT.
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05-22-2007 12:18 PM  13 years ago
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I also fly an airskipper and a vibe here...the airskipper performs great even though it is a little heavier, i can run 12 degrees pitch no worries and the thing hoots....

For all those guys that advise against and for thing they have never owned and maybe never seen flown properly, dont think that because a lot of E-pilots on here have an opinion formed on someone elses opinion and not experience they speak the heli gospel.

One of our nat champs here flies and airskipper and smacks it around bad. It tracks as well or better than any other 50 i have flown or seen flying, it is real fast too, and you just need to dial in as much collective and cyclic as possible and spin it at 2200 and it is great.
Really two choice because the Airskipper is too heavy
too heavy for what? I have had mine flown by one of our best 3D guys here and he made it do everything you see in all the vids with ease. All you guys who disregard it on weight alone must be flying damn hard if you all can outfly this chopper. It locks into hurricanes and funnels almost as nice as my vibe and thats a big call for a 50.

My point is, dont trash something you really have no first hand experience with (i apologise if you all have). How proven is the 600N for durability/reliablity, not yet. A rappie is a rappie. The skipper hasnt worn or got sloppy in 9 months of flying. zero maintainence and a great build, beautiful parts.

Didnt mean to rant, just putting forward an owner/flyers point of view for a totally underestimated heli...
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05-22-2007 12:58 PM  13 years ago
darrens

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Assuming the 600N is as good as the electric version then go for that. It's well built, flies well and is cheap to repair.
Do not worry about "but is it a 3D machine", firstly, it will always be easier than your 450 to fly (bigger = stability)and of course, any heli can be set up soft for a beginner by reducing throws and putting on heavier fly bar paddles or weights.
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05-22-2007 03:36 PM  13 years ago
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Stop thinking and follow your heart. Buy the one you desire the most

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