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12-31-2002 03:27 PM  16 years ago
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Malorie

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New FAA/DOT mandate of 100% search of checked baggage 2
The other thread went so far off topic that it'll never come back so I'll ask it again scince I plan to travel to Vagas at the end of January.

Has the 100% search of a checked baggage effected the ability to travel with your helis?

Do they make you pull your helis from the case and such?

Has anyone been refused their flight for checking your helis?

Or any other related stories you could tell would help.

Malorie
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12-31-2002 05:17 PM  16 years ago
irq

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Malorie, unfortunately I don't have any information to offer, but I wanted to thank you for restarting this thread as I felt it was pretty unfortunate the other one pretty much failed too. Thanks!
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12-31-2002 05:33 PM  16 years ago
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I traveled a week ago with the heli in a small case from LAX.I hear hard golf bags work great too. They were already using the new machines and people there. There was no problem. I sprayed the whole thing down with rubbing alcohol, removed the fuel tanks, flushed them with alcohol, then water, and did not put them back in the heli (in case they wanted to sniff the tanks they were easy to get to). Also removed the glow plug and flushed the engine with alcohol. After I was sure it was absoloutely dry I bagged it and put it in the case. No problems. They were more interested in my other bag which may have actually been in contact with explosives at some point in the past. They are doing this right in front of you so at least there will be no suprises on the landing end. It's still up to them if they will let it fly though, and you may not find yourself as lucky as I have. They may have rules against internal combustion engines, but I think they are looking more for "lawnmower" "scooter" and "gasoline" than "toy helicopter". As with any security/law enforcement if there is trouble don't give any more info then they ask for, smile, say "thank you", and "toy helicopter".
Don't make anything hard to unpack or repack, and don't touch the bags after they are done with them. Someone else will carry them away for you.
Good luck.
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12-31-2002 05:34 PM  16 years ago
CaliRaptor (RIP)

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The 100% baggage check doesn't officially start until tomorrow, so you probably won't get any good feedback for a few more weeks. Augusto (ColeOpter) is taking his helis to FL with him this week, so he'll probably be the first one to report in.....

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12-31-2002 05:42 PM  16 years ago
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I have had issues flying with my helicopter. The key is to make sure that there is NO fuel residue anywhere on the heli. I suggest saying that it is a show display. The policy is that if any fuel has been run through it, they will not permit it on board. The last flight I took was hell. They let me on board after a huge argument with management and told me that I would not be permitted to return with the heli.
After a long drawn out nightmare with the safety manager of the airline at corporate (my argument was that they set a precedence by allowing me to depart), I was permitted to return under the condition that it was not run (yea right). I removed all of the fuel lines, cleaned the bird with alcohol and then with nice smelling armor all tire cleaner. When I checked it in they first informed me that it was not permitted to return with me. At this point I had all I could do from going postal. As it turned out the safety manager informed the airport supervisor who forgot to tell anybody else. Fortunately we found this individual and all was resolved. Now I had to convince them they were unused (again). They went as far as to smell it and then lick their fingers after touching it to see if they could taste fuel.. This blew me away. Next time I might wash it with arsenic.

Best Advice would be to make sure it is immaculate as Loc-Nar suggested and that the tank and is bone dry and clean if not removed. It may not hurt to remove the fuel lines just incase someone decides to challenge you.
Try to check it in at the curb.
Oh yea, make sure and tastes great too.
If you get a real idiot tell em its electric (make sure the tank and lines are removed)..
And the toy helicopter Loc-Nar suggested is also a good idea.

Hope this helps.
Scott
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12-31-2002 05:42 PM  16 years ago
Loc-Nar

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>>>officially start until tomorrow
Although it isn't offical until tomorrow, there are certain airports that have already been doing the full deal. Like I mentioned LAX is one of them. They are really looking for something that can down an arrplane, a bomb or a perfume bottle filled with gasoline or whatever. If it's packed right your heli shouldn't be much trouble.

P.S. I've been using a big allen wrench to start the heli while traveling. It works great and I don't have to lug any heavy starter around.
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12-31-2002 05:52 PM  16 years ago
donhagler

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Malorie going to Vegas.
Malorie, Why not ship it UPS ahead of the flight.
Then take your carry on and enjoy the trip.
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01-01-2003 02:39 AM  16 years ago
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Here is another tried and tested idea that works!
When asked, tell them it is a battery operated model helicopter. I carry a spare AA nicad in my pocket and show it to them at that point. I have never had them ask what fuel does it use as they assume it is a battery. Prior to using this approach I had been hassled literally every time and once had to remove the tanks at the airport even though I told them the motors had never been run.

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01-01-2003 02:47 AM  16 years ago
irq

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Dwight, that is an interesting solution, and it seems like it would work really well.

There's just one problem: you are lying to authorities when you use it. If they find out you lied about whether it uses fuel or not, you're going to wish you didn't get out of bed that day.

Sure, they probably wont find out. But...
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01-01-2003 03:00 AM  16 years ago
mongo

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i think that is when i am going there as well
instead of sending the heli ups, i would "choose greyhound" for seperate shipping, if i had ta go that route.
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01-01-2003 03:13 AM  16 years ago
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My wife works for American...
Clean the tanks and lines out fully with isopropyl alcohol and disconnect the batteries.You MUST check the case but I would suggest not putting a lock on it.The transmitter can be carried on (very much suggested).You will not be allowed to carry tools on board so you will have to keep them in the case and as hard as it may be, trust that they won't get stolen.As long as you check it and everything is shown to be a part of a whole, you will be fine.Oh and If you really want to hide residue smells, use vinegar....Have Fun....
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01-01-2003 04:05 AM  16 years ago
on1skid

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If thay didn't ask what type of fuel it ran on it wasn't lying. It dose run on battery. You have to have the battery for the electronics.
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01-01-2003 04:09 AM  16 years ago
irq

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Hey man, you can rationalize to me all you like... I'm not Uncle Sam!
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01-01-2003 05:33 AM  16 years ago
serious_sam

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you know, 2 sticks of 10-cell nicads with wire leads look a lot more like contraband than any glow or gas engine could ever be. would that be a problem as well (especially when the heat shrink tubing of packs is usually not transparent)?
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01-01-2003 05:52 AM  16 years ago
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Does anyone know how to get a copy of the mandate so we can see the exact regulation and what it covers. What chemicals are allowed and is nitromethane considered an "explosive" as per the mandate. Also...would there be a way to 'pre-screen' say, 2 hours before flight to give time to make any changes to allow a heli on the aircraft. For those flying with there heli's any time soon, please inquire about this, and even if you don't fly with your heli, ask anyway. I plan on taking my heli to visit my family in July but I am taking heli, radio, field box, and the like so I would like to know. If I can design a case to accomodate the search procedures and the inspectors it may help. Thanks
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01-01-2003 06:25 AM  16 years ago
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Isaiahsdad, now that is a commendable attitude - working with the authorities instead of developing new methods of deception!

Again, I will also appreciate any information people come up with. Hopefully ColeopTer will return to San Diego with some useful info along these lines.
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01-01-2003 06:15 PM  16 years ago
fitenfyr

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Have it.....
Does anyone know how to get a copy of the mandate so we can see the exact regulation and what it covers. What chemicals are allowed and is nitromethane considered an "explosive" as per the mandate.......
I contacted the DOT directly regarding taking a helicopter on an airline or shipping it once it has been used. Here is the e-mail in it's entirety.

From: "Infocntr Infocntr" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: "'Jason Stiffey'"
Subject: RE: Aircraft shipping/baggage question
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:31:46 -0500


Dear Jason,

We have received your inquiry about the Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 CFR Parts 171-180). The HMR are available at the following URL:

http://hazmat.dot.gov/rules.htm

Model rocket motors are classified as 1.4C or 1.4S, meaning they are classified as explosives. Information on shipping a new explosive can be found in Part 173, Subpart C. If your rocket motor falls under the definition of a 1.4C material it is forbidden aboard passenger carrying aircraft (see § 172.101).

From your description, you call the item an internal combustion engine. If it is an engine for a model plane and does not contain any hazardous material, such as fuel, it is not regulated. You must ensure that the engine and fuel tank are completely purged of all residue and vapors. Information on what constitutes "empty" can be found in § 173.29.

If you require further assistance, our Hazardous Materials Information Center is staffed with regulatory specialists who can quickly answer your questions by phone. Please do not hesitate to call, as the Information Center is open Monday through Friday, 9 am - 5 pm E.S.T. at (800) 467-4922 or (202) 366-4488.

Sincerely,

U.S. DOT

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Stiffey [mailto:fitenfyr@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:40 AM
To: infocntr@rspa.dot.gov
Subject: Aircraft shipping/baggage question


Could you tell me what the regulations are regarding the shipping or transporting as baggage of Radio Control model aircraft onboard a commercial airline? Specifically small internal combustion engines less than 1cu with NO FUEL in the engine or fuel tank.

Thanks
Jason Stiffey
360 340 7151


That being said it is up to the individual airline to allow it or not. They can interpet the rule and say no way if they so choose. The DOT has no authority to tell them they can take it.

Malorie my best advice would be to go early and check it out. You can also make a personal visit to the airline you are flying before the trip and ask them. Keep in mind you may get a different answer from different people though.

My wife is a mid-level supervisor for the Cargo office a major airline and deals with this kind of stuff everyday. Each case is a little different and is delt with individually so your results may vary.

Last year the guys from Seattle that went to Vegas had no problems with getting our helis to and from on Alaska Airlines. Best airline in the biz so that is to be expected. Can you guess who supports my hobby fund?
Jason Stiffey
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01-01-2003 06:47 PM  16 years ago
w.pasman

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America is making flying near impossible. I'm happy to live in Europe, but unfortunately I frequently have to attend conferences in the US. However I'm thinking about refusing travel to the US at all, also given the other news about excessive/misuse of power by customs
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01-01-2003 07:50 PM  16 years ago
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HazMat....
Our rechargable batteries are considered Hazardous Materials also ONLY if they are displayed non-component wise (as part of a whole, or not belonging to a device).If they open your case and find your rechargeable batteries on there own they can be treated as a hazmat situation.When transporting your bird leave it unmodified and everything in it's place, including the battery pack.If you want, tape a description of the items so that the person searching will get a clue quicker.All tools MUST be checked in so purchase a cheap set for traveling.Don't worry about it.It's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.Check it and forget about it.Have fun....
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01-02-2003 01:53 AM  16 years ago
Auggie

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I did clean everything as described above. They checked everything in San Diego and did the atomic absortion test with the swab they X-Rayed it all and we ended up talking about RC-Helis and how the security screener's husband wanted to get one for her to fly. I told her to go for it and also told her that there was this Malorie girl that was spoiled by all heli pilots in North America.

I got everything perfectly into Florida.

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