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11-27-2006 02:05 AM  11 years agoPost 1
AlexFong

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Hey guys! I was trying to do some tic toc with my Titan with all Stock Parts except the blades I'm running Thunder Tiger Carbpm 600mm Blades 9252 for cyclics and pitch and S3151 for the throttle, when I execute the tic toc the heli does not respond with a fast forwards and backwards answer. Is this a problem of torque on the PITCH o more velocity on the throttle or........ ??? Any tips would be very appreciated

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11-27-2006 03:11 AM  11 years agoPost 2
arceye

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Sounds like more practice needed to me.

Don't take offence as none is meant

Andy


Kasama Head :(
The Blingiest DOWNGRADE a Raptor can have

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11-27-2006 03:30 AM  11 years agoPost 3
AlexFong

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Not at all dude! Actually I am a newbie with 3D stuff! hehehe

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11-27-2006 05:11 AM  11 years agoPost 4
EKIM

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do you have a governer? Is the motor tuned propperly? How much pitch do you have? I have the same heli/servo setup except throttle (9252) and it can tic toc all day but it will take some practice to make them look good and keep bogging to a minimum.

*******Mike********

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11-27-2006 05:24 AM  11 years agoPost 5
AlexFong

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Hi Ekim,

Nope! I don't have a Governor on it. And yes the motor is very well tuned. It has -/+ 9. Is that too few pitch?

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11-27-2006 05:40 AM  11 years agoPost 6
jbc98c

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you should be running it around +- 11.5 or so. i'd also go to a metal head block, red dampers, and green paddles. total it will run u around 100. it will make it a lot more crisp and responsive in 3d, especially in tic tocs.
Brandon

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11-27-2006 06:19 AM  11 years agoPost 7
Portblock

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I have basicaly a stock titan, with 9252 for the pitch, and 3151 for the cyclics.

No govenor, throttle curve for idle-2 is 90%,inh,80%,inh,90%
pitch curve is: -10,inh, 0, inh, +10

I can now do tic tocs, took a while, I even posted questions. for me, hard to explain, but again for me, its not just oppisite sticks.

I am tail in, pull back the cyclic, and when it comes back I pull back the pitch, so it goes -10, as it begins to push, I go forward on the cyclic.

my sticks seam to trail one another, not exactly oppisite stick banging.

just my nickle story

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11-27-2006 06:53 AM  11 years agoPost 8
BJames111

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after I installed the g force head, tic tocs actually became easier for some reason. I think the faster response helps..

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11-27-2006 01:30 PM  11 years agoPost 9
AlanR8

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No govenor, throttle curve for idle-2 is 90%,inh,80%,inh,90%
I have to ask, but why not 100% at the top and bottom?

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11-27-2006 01:39 PM  11 years agoPost 10
jschenck

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Do you have cyclic to throttle mixing?

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11-27-2006 06:18 PM  11 years agoPost 11
Portblock

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at 100% it seems to be running extreamly high speed. I have no tach at this time.

it climbs out good, so I was not thinking I needed to go 100%, please tell me if you think I should go 100% and please tell me why.

The voices in my head can beat up the voices in your head.

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11-27-2006 06:30 PM  11 years agoPost 12
AlanR8

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Yes you should go to 100% and maybe try for a little more pitch top and bottom. There's no point having 100% power available and NOT using it!

This is where setting up proper pitch and throttle curves (possibly a dying art?)becomes important. I've never heard of any version of the R50 over speeding at 100% throttle at top or bottom pitch! Usually when you have the stick that high, or low, you are loading the motor in some moves or vertical climb outs. The motor should not over rev, and if you get the curves right you'll get a constant head speed in all conditions.

Having said that, this is EXACTLY why people use governors and rev limiters to electronically control the head speed.

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11-27-2006 06:51 PM  11 years agoPost 13
Barney

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Alex your Idle 2 throttle curve should be more like 100% Inh,60% Inh, 100%. or better still maybe 100% 80% 60% 80% 100%..It does vary a little from model to model

A std Raptor struggles to get more than 11, -11 but try and get it up around that

The above will help stop overspeeding and give the collective more punch.

Then set up cyclic to throttle mixing around 25% would be a good start (beware to make sure your radio does not overdrive the linkage though) What this does is when you move the Ail or elev it adds a little throttle.

It is good advice to move to a metal headblock/glass blades as you need to run a high headspeed for best results..1900+

This is the important bit..you have to manage your cyclic/collective controls. You trade off one control for the other so as not to have both controls maxed out at the same time or you will get bogging...and that is the art sir!

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11-28-2006 02:21 AM  11 years agoPost 14
AlexFong

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Titan tic toc.......
thanks all you guys! your tips were very usefull for me! And now I'm ready to tunes it up with some kasama and G-Force parts let's see what's the results LOL! Let you guys knows later Thanks thanks thanks!

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11-28-2006 02:53 AM  11 years agoPost 15
soulrider911

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ALEX
Yo ALex, DUDE seriously i would not bother with all the bling metal stuff...I have a titan and a raptor 50 both have stock heads, and both can do it all. Tic tocs take a lot of time to learn, and making sure you have the right CYCLIC travel (not Collective i.e. pitch) is of huge importance. Save the money, at this early in the game if you drop a bunch of cash on stuff that you probably won't know the difference, if by chance you do crash ther went all your money down with the heli...Green paddles and red dampers will help though

Why don't cats get gray hair with age?.....

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11-28-2006 07:00 PM  11 years agoPost 16
Rick_H

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No one has asked yet so I thought I would. Do you have any Expo programmed in while in idle up? If you do this can effect your tic toc response time.

Rick.

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11-28-2006 07:34 PM  11 years agoPost 17
AlexFong

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Nope!

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11-29-2006 12:18 AM  11 years agoPost 18
Raffy

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PV0518
Upgrade to that part number (8.7 gear ratio) and you can tic toc all day long

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11-29-2006 12:54 AM  11 years agoPost 19
Portblock

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Not to divert, or double post, but if you scroll down, you can see a tic-toc trainer here:
http://runryder.com/t301869p1/?p=2372152#RR

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11-29-2006 01:03 AM  11 years agoPost 20
BJames111

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Mike I agree, but if you are not running a somewhat high headspeed, it is difficult for an inexperienced pilot to learn collective timing manuvers such as tic tocs and rainbows, because of the tendency for headspeed to drop off. My suggestion of a G-Force metal headblock is merely for the safety of running 2000 rpm headspeed.

Me personally flew a raptor 30, and a raptor 50 with a plastic headblock for quite some time while learning the basics. I found that many manuvers became easier when running higher headspeed due to the engine being in the meat of the powerband.

So while I agree that a plastic head raptor CAN do nearly every trick in the book, if not all of them, the limitations placed by the plastic rotorhead (lower rpm, thunder tiger suggests 1850rpm) can make it more difficult to learn 3d manuvers.

That being said, I do agree that careful collective managment skill will make you a better pilot when you are not dependent on mega power all the time to "bail you out" of a bad manuver. It also teaches timing and smooth flying.

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