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11-26-2006 02:36 AM  11 years agoPost 1
OUCaptain

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Finally got up in the attic and pulled some cable today. While the house was being built, I snuck in and ran conduit at all the locations I wanted phone and computers. I can't tell you how much time this saved me. Pulled a total of about 20 cat 5e and 10 cat 6. I put at least 2 cat 5e and 1 cat 6 at each location. I'm leaving the cat6 in the boxes for later. I didn't really feel like forking over the bucks for cat6 jacks and patch panel right now but at least the cable is there. I'm terminating all cables at cat 5e so I can use it for either phone or computer. It'l be set up so all I have to do is patch it into either the network switch or phone distribution panel. I'm also running a gigabit switch so DVD video streaming won't be an issue. I'll have a pc hooked up to the plasma with all my movies and music stored in the den on my main machine with just under a tera byte of storage. This is going to be sweet. All I got left is terminating the main panel in the garage. The one thing I'm worried about is what the Texas summer heat is going to do to the gigabit switch in the garage. Any thoughts on how much heat those things can take. I always put everything in a controlled environment when I did this stuff for a living.

I'll post some pics tomorrow when I get it finished

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11-26-2006 03:33 AM  11 years agoPost 2
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What does it take to get from your Network to the Plasma?

This Thing Has More Bugs Than a Big City Flop House.

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11-26-2006 03:42 AM  11 years agoPost 3
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I'll park a spare PC next to it with a cheap video card. Just hook up the HDMI output (or vga for that matter) strait to the plasma. Media center and a wireless keyboard and mouse and you're all set.

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11-26-2006 03:47 AM  11 years agoPost 4
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that was a great idea ... when i used to work as an electrician my boss always used to have me run conduit from the basement to the attic because the buyers would always want things added once the walls were up ...

it really saves your life

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11-26-2006 03:57 AM  11 years agoPost 5
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You always need one more thing once the walls are done. I always hated the days I saw the words "cabling" and "residence" on my work orders. 99% of what I did was comercial with drop ceilings. I could do 40 drops in small office in no time by myself. I don't have my fiberglass rods anymore so I REALLY didn't want to have to fish any walls.

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11-26-2006 03:59 AM  11 years agoPost 6
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Sounds good, Video cards have HDMI out? I wonder how much computer you will need to stream video? I am curious because my house is also wired with Cat5 but I don't want a computer next to the Plasma. But an old laptop may fit into the cabinet.

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11-26-2006 04:08 AM  11 years agoPost 7
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Most new cards do. It's the white connector slighty bigger than the blue VGA. Whatever you do though, don't buy your HDMI cable at any store. They will bend you right over the counter. 6 footers are anywhere from $80 to $150. You can get em dirt cheap at monoprice.com. Not to many laptops have HDMI though. VGA is just fine though. I doubt you'll see any difference.

As far as how much computer you need, if it will play the movie, thats all you need. All i'm doing is sharing the files across the network. I guess this isn't really streaming. At this point, it really comes down to network speed. Wireless is pretty much a joke when it comes to file transfers plus it tesnd to drop signal every now and then. 100 megabit will be just fine even for dvd quality. I went with gigabit just for the extra headroom and for the future.

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11-26-2006 04:43 AM  11 years agoPost 8
OUCaptain

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Sorry...almost forgot. On the PC, it's referred to DVI. On the Plasma it's HDMI. Same thing though, you just get a cable that DVI to HDMI.

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11-26-2006 05:06 AM  11 years agoPost 9
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Since you are wiring your home from scratch, do this:

pins 1,2,3,6 for ethernet
pins 4,5 for phone

this way you can plug your phone into the jack and it will work, or you can plug your computer in and it will work.

This is how I wire new small offices. Becouse even though I use to spec out 4pin jacks and 8pin jacks, people would always unplug to vacume or something, and plug the phone into the 8pin jack, and ask why it doesnt work.

So, now I spec out 4 jacks on a plate, the top two are data/phone the bottom two are data/fax. Small offices 2 jacks, both data/phone, this way they can plug into either one.

The voices in my head can beat up the voices in your head.

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11-26-2006 05:16 AM  11 years agoPost 10
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OOOhh don't tell me that. That's bad juju. Yes... it will work, but not well. What do you think happens then the phone rings and 90 to 110 volts AC is running down a pair right next to the data pairs. Besides, gigabit uses all 4 pairs as well as the 10 gigabit thats due for release. I may also want to use power over eithernet later. You will never get a cable to certify to 350mhz with phone voltage running with it aside from failing the continuity test. I've seen way too many companies get it installed like that and have problems down the road. Besides, I've got plenty of cable and jacks.

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11-26-2006 05:20 AM  11 years agoPost 11
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Sorry, wasnt thinking, I do this in offices with digital lines.

However, gigabit does not use all the pairs, just two pairs, just the same.

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11-26-2006 05:29 AM  11 years agoPost 12
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http://pinouts.ru/Net/ethernet1000baset_pinout.shtml

I think we're both right. It's been a while since I thought about it. I think it's whether you are going for full or half duplex but I may be wrong.

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11-26-2006 05:32 AM  11 years agoPost 13
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I know it was trivial in the begining, but I have put together a lot of GigE networks, and we dont use those pins, I have a network where it is GigE, with PoE, that would not be possible with GigE using all the pins.

Back in the day, first attempts at 100mbit, full duplex, they also played with all the pins

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11-26-2006 05:42 AM  11 years agoPost 14
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You're right. I looked further and found they dropped the other two pairs. I still would never mix singnals on a single cable. Thats one of the reasons it tooks so long for the POE standard to be ratified. Everyone wanted to be absolutly sure there would not be any blead over. All my installations were in larger offices that required certification of all runs. The only time I ever ran more singnals down one cable was for voice. Multiple phones or faxes down one cable. Computers always get their own cable.

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11-26-2006 06:00 AM  11 years agoPost 15
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you right, not to mix these signals (pots), it sounded so good in my head. I only do this on small offices.

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11-26-2006 06:15 AM  11 years agoPost 16
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For most small offices like that, it'll be fine. All they do most of the time is cruis the internet where a dropped packet here and there won't really cause a problem. You'd notice it pretty quick when you start running VOIP or video streaming. The biggest benefit to them is that they are usually on a much tighter budget and copper gotten pretty expensive these days. Glad I had some leftover

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12-01-2006 03:02 AM  11 years agoPost 17
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Finally Done Havn't patched in the phone yet as there hasn't been a need and I still need to run a cable to the Dmark (phone box)

The panel on the left is a series of jacks daisy chained so I can distribute 2 lines of phone to any of the Cat 5 cables in the house. This was I can patch in either phone or network to any of the jacks.

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12-01-2006 03:48 AM  11 years agoPost 18
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Nice clean work, no "rats nests" Have you considered anice temperature controlled fan cooled wall mount cabinet for the system system? When we use to do board rooms and class theaters we used them. Just set the thermostats to the target temp and the fans would cool the cabinet if necessary. And the fans were very quiet.

I remember when I use to do installations in older homes that had those awesome "fire stops" in the walls (here in Canada, at least). Or better yet, the transition phase of when they steered away from the firestops and the house you were going to next had been built during that time period so it was a crap shoot if it was going to have them or not. Very frustrating. And then try getting an installers bit into the wall to penetrate the fire stop, grrrrrr. Conduit is a deffinite blessing especially if the builder incorporates into the house for future add ons, etc.

Marc

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12-01-2006 05:32 PM  11 years agoPost 19
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Thanks I thought about a case and rack mounting everything but decided it was simply overkill.

I put the conduit while the house was being built. I picked up a bunch the the smurf tube from HomeDepot for like $2 per 10' stick I think. The whole pre-install cost me like $50 I think. Well worth it.

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12-01-2006 05:37 PM  11 years agoPost 20
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Wires? Why? You could have bought a $89 wireless router and saved a bunch of time and money........

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