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11-27-2006 12:28 AM  11 years agoPost 21
BC Don

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I like the size of my 30 and 50 and enjoy the "nitro experience" (sound, smell, tinkering with the engine etc.).

And at this point, when I look at the prices the electrics (when you go to 30 or 50 size) are still pretty expensive, primarily the batteries.

With my Nitro I can fuel up and fly, run for 10 to 15 minutes (depending upon the ship), land and fuel up and be flying again getting a couple flights in an hour (or more I suppose if I wanted). With an Electric of 30 / 50 size the cost of the batteries would prohibit me from flying that much. You'd need 4 to 5 battery sets to do the same thing plus multiple charges and a decent battery.

With an electric, you either have to bring charger(s) and a car battery with you to the field (or use the one in your car). Or, you have to start with 5 or 6 sets of batteries for your flying.

I love my 30 and 50 size but haven't been impressed with my TRex. Don't get me wrong, I like it but, it is too small for my old eyes and extrememly responsive.

Oh and if you crash with a LiPo and damage it, then there is the additional expense of replacing the battery. And the potential problem of poofing LiPos.

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11-27-2006 12:40 AM  11 years agoPost 22
PaulJC

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I've got nothing against electrics so don't think i'm going down that road, they have there place, just not for me at the moment.

With nitro i can fly ALL day, start to finish, no waiting for packs to charge..........

Just land, fuel and fly!

When i practice i like to put in about 10 flights across a couple of hours, i would have to have some serious money invested in batterys to do that with electric

However i'm tempted to get a TREX 600 to keep in the car for when i can grab a quick flight or 2

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11-27-2006 01:14 AM  11 years ago •• Post 23 ••
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TURBINE

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11-27-2006 01:18 AM  11 years agoPost 24
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If you want all day flying go nitro or gas (you can fly all day on five bucks in gas and can get it anywhere 24/7 ). If you want to just grab your heli and get a quick flight in go electric. I've owned both and as previously stated unless you have a good chunk of change "electrics aren't there yet".

Marc

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11-27-2006 01:27 AM  11 years agoPost 25
COOKIEULT70

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Lets see, in the past 2 years we have gone from 12C lipos to 25C lipos. Price hasn't come down (actually gone up). Motors are getting more powerful and more effecient all the time. ESCs are improving. Maybe in another two years the price per mah will go down to where I can justify shelling out for a half dozen packs for an E620 or Swift 600CF and a 10 amp(per output) quad output balance charger that is safe at 2C charge(and a small portable nuclear power plant to power it).

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11-27-2006 01:30 AM  11 years agoPost 26
high flyer

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Somebody smoked his breakfast
50 size electricshave passed 90 nitros????????????? Dude, if you wait a few minutes your alarm clock will ring and you'll wake up. I'll put my 90 nitro up against any 50 electric out there.

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11-27-2006 01:39 AM  11 years agoPost 27
COOKIEULT70

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I'm afraid he is right about the surpassed part. An OS 91 hyper is rated at 3.3hp. 3.3Hp is ~ 2200watts Trex 600 on 6S have been known to pull as much as 116amps(that I have read about here on RR) 116amps at 22.2 volts is 2572watts. And those 600s that run 10S put out even more watts. And I do believe that a Trex 600 is lighter than a 90 size nitro.

Run time may not be as long but available power IS higher with the electric.

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11-27-2006 01:40 AM  11 years agoPost 28
OICU812

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I'll put my 90 nitro up against any 50 electric out there.
Wish two things, I wish it was warmer and I wish we lived closer, a reality show would be in order. I have seen many many 90 size nitro ships, with the newest 91 spec motors, regualtors, ported blah blah blah, not one of them would have been able to take the performance of my Logos, not one. I have owned and flown both so my opinion is based on what I have actually "seen" with my own two eyes. I suggest trying and flying both sides of the fence before making bold statements such as that, if it were a pink slip world you could lose your beloved 90 nitro pretty easily so be carefull if you ever take someone up on that bet that has a dialed in 50 electric. Some prime examples of power on the net for yourself and many are like Danny J flying his L14 with an Actro 24-4 pumping out 4.0 HP at 6-6.5 lbs rtf, your nitro ship gonna touch that? Not in a hundred years my freind.
With nitro i can fly ALL day, start to finish, no waiting for packs to charge..........
I have enough packs, I don't charge anything at the field. When I had my last nitro a Evo I still had to charge the duralite pack at home after a day of flying as well so that really is the same imho. And I had to charge my starter etc,,, oh and my glow plug ignitor,,,,get my point.....

This is one of several electric vs nitro threads, in the end it is what you have fun with an enjoy is it not??

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-27-2006 01:44 AM  11 years agoPost 29
high flyer

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I have seen both, don't let the cold and distance stop you, put up your pink slip. Keep waiting for that alarm clock.

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11-27-2006 01:51 AM  11 years agoPost 30
high flyer

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Think about what you are saying, I charge 1 (one) reciver pack at the end of the day and a Ni- starter maybe once every 2 weeks. How many batteries do you have to charge at night to be able to fly the next day. Not to mention I don't have to sit there and babysit my batteries while they charge. Any thing looks good on paper, the proof is in the pudding.

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11-27-2006 02:15 AM  11 years agoPost 31
RotorRage

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I have an electric and a nitro. The electric is a blade CP and it's my goof off heli for lunch breaks. However when i go to the field or fun flys the electrics just don't impress me. I don't have any scientific or psycological reasons, they just don't do it for me no matter how powerful they may be. Ground support doesn't matter to me I fly what i like to see and hear... You might watch some 3D videos and decide what gets your heart pumping. If you like electric go with it. If you like gas or glow fire it up! Just my opinion.

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11-27-2006 02:26 AM  11 years agoPost 32
high flyer

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Bravo
Well said Rotor Rage. To each his own. I also own several electrics, a blade cp and a trex. Love flying both of them, but nitro is where I am at.

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11-27-2006 02:54 AM  11 years agoPost 33
rudyy

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Gasser or Nitro
Excuse me for a bit of hijacking. WHat do you guys think about gasser vs nitro? What are the pros and cons? I have got both the electric and nitro, but no gasser, and I am thinking of getting one.

Rudy

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11-27-2006 02:59 AM  11 years agoPost 34
JAGNZ

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I don't have a gasser but my guess would be weight and throttle response, with the gasser being heavier and not as peppy for 3D. The power per cc with a nitro would be far higher I would guess.


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11-27-2006 03:09 AM  11 years agoPost 35
COOKIEULT70

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How about 20-30 minute flights. How about fly all day for $3.00. How about less support equipment than electric. Gas is a little more expensive than 90 size up front, but if you fly alot it pays off quick. Lower power to weight than 90 size though.

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11-27-2006 03:38 AM  11 years agoPost 36
JeremyZ

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Interesting thread. Some people are so defensive.

To the original poster:

What kind of flying are you going to do? General sport-flying? "regular" aerobatics? 3D? Electrics have better Power:weight, so are better at aerobatics. But they're not cost-effective for the bigger birds yet.

There seems to be agreement that the larger helis are more stable than smaller electric ones. It makes sense, if you think about it. If you machine parts to the same close tolerances, the larger parts will be closer to their nominal sizes. (relatively speaking)

I think you should get both. Get a .50 size nitro copter for your "main" one, since you're familiar with the technology. There's a lot to be said for already having a comfort level with it. But give a smaller, less expensive electric a fair shot. Be fair, and realize that it is a lot less expensive, so you can't wish the world of it. Something like a Honeybee CP or Blade CP. If you like it, either mod it for brushless power or upgrade to a T-Rex. If you don't like that the tail wags around a bit, realize it's because its a cheap little chopper. But it will let you whet your appetite for electrics for only about $250 at the most. (Oh, and that includes radio, LiPo, charger, etc.)

Also, you will like the price to repair the above-mentioned electrics. When you crash your .50 nitro bird and find that it's going to run you $500 that you may not have at the moment, you can fly the electric, crash it, and be back in the air for less than $50. (even with a T-Rex)

My dad just got back into model airplanes. He last messed with them in the 70s. He's familiar with glow engines, and he's a good mechanic all around. But I'm his coach, and I'm all electric, so he gave it a shot. Now, when we're watching the glow guys tune their stuff, chop up their fingers, have flame-outs and dead stick landings/crashes, and spend *any* time with clean-up we chuckle to ourselves. However, he just had a charging incident after a crash where he was trying to charge a damaged LiPo. He didn't notice it was crunched in a bit at the end, and he had one hell of a fire in his basement. 3 ft. flames. He had taken the right precautions, so nothing burned but the $300 battery.

Note that you don't have to fly LiPo if you're electric. Helis like the Eco8 will fly fine on a simple, tough, & reliable NiMH pack. Flight times aren't as long as a good LiPo though. It doesn't take many $12 gallons of fuel at 5-10 flights per gallon to pay for a LiPo. If you're not crashing a lot from trying all the aerobatics, LiPos balance out pretty quickly.

Let us know what you end up going with.

"Well begun is half done." -Aristotle

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11-27-2006 03:55 AM  11 years agoPost 37
OICU812

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high flyer you need to get out more is all I have to say. Maybe watch a few more vids on the net, your view is narrow and not so educated. Sorry man but the proof is in the pudding as you yourself say, I see it every day why do you not..?

Here is a question high flyer, have you yourself flown a decent 50 eletric, or for that matter any electric? If so what is it that you have flown and the setup? I see you mention a blade and a little rex,,,well if that is your comparison that is sad. See my comments come from my own personal findings and proof not just some outburst of opinion and defensiveness like yourself, that's the way I see it,, you are not backing anything up only puffing out your chest.

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11-27-2006 04:08 AM  11 years agoPost 38
Rogan

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I just bought a nitro because I was fed up of spending more time charging lipos for my T-Rex than flying. Also lipos have a limited life span if you're careful with them, and it just takes a hearty ignore of your lipo alarm to turn them into junk.

Personally I'm expecting to have just as much fun with nitro as I've had with electric.

Incidentally, you can't talk about a ship like the 600 running 6-S and then slip in some insane Acto Power hand built pack uber rig as if it didn't cost half the national debt for a couple of batteries and the rest for the charger.

Electric rocks, but if you're trying to say it's 'there', then I can only applaud your misplaced optimism. Soon it will be, but not right now.

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11-27-2006 04:51 AM  11 years agoPost 39
OICU812

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Time of the flight is less but with more power. The time of the flight "is not there", the power of the flight "is there and beyond". In regards to your comment about flight lipo alarm, well I use a timer and actually time out how much flight time I get with not exceeding 75% of available mah, once that is done "within first 3 flights" from that point on I fly by my timer even as a nitro flyer would do. That being said that is poor practice to be flying by a lipo alarm imho and not a wise decsion at all. If you have 3 batteries for example for your little rex you can fly solid with no interuptions so I am not sure what all this work is you speak of. Limited span.....I have over 4 lipos for my little rex with over 200 cycles strong, by adding up the math it is less than 10 cents a flight so far, how long does that last on nitro, oh wait it just ended as soon as you read that. On my bigger machines I allready have some lipos (10s 1P) that have well over 100 cycles on them still running strong as day one, this equates to less than 3.75 a flight and it keeps getting cheaper as the cycles go on, how much a flight on a 90 ship? Oh that's right it is adding up isn't it, maybe even more huh? I think some of you better redo your math and perhaps do a little more DD on this... cheers.

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11-27-2006 04:55 AM  11 years agoPost 40
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This debate will go on for quite some time. The only way to know for sure is to try both yourself. We are all different, so something that turns you off might not be a bother to someone else.

I fly electric, and am VERY glad not to be dealing with nitro any longer. No more smelly car, stained carpet, greasy fingers, running out of fuel, constant cleaning, figuring out how to carry paper towels on a windy day... But, that is just me! I still love the smell of nitro, and the sound, and the smoke, but for me the electrics win.

I'm flying a T-Rex450SE, charging with a Cellpro4s. My packs charge in 30 minutes, so a couple of $60 chargers and you have two flights every 30 minutes, in addition to the charged packs I bring with me. I like to give the heli and myself a break between flights, so if I fly for 10, break for 5, that is a pace I can maintain all day (not that I would want to).

Yes, I know you can fly a nitro all day with ease, and shuffling batteries around can be a pain, but pick your poison, they are all fun!

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