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11-24-2006 04:18 PM  11 years agoPost 1
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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Hey guys! First off, great forum. I've been reading quite a few posts and everybody seems really nice and knowledgeable. I am getting into the heli seen for Christmas this year and kind of have my game plan laid out, but wanted some input from the vets of the trade here. I'm looking at an E-sky belt cp for my first heli and the artf kit seems good to me but I can't find a good transmitter/receiver that doesn't come with servos since the heli already does. My neighbor has an MX450 and a sim that I've farted around on a bit so I kind of know what I'm getting into. He also said he'd help me out a bit. Thanks for any input guys, hopefully I'll be in the air soon!

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11-24-2006 05:29 PM  11 years agoPost 2
Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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Welcome to the world of Heli Flyers.

You have chosen a model that is better suited for a experienced flyer.

May I suggest the Eflite Blade CP and it comes with everything you need to get started.

Also invest in a sim, it will save you tons of doe in crash costs.

Regards

Rick

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11-24-2006 06:32 PM  11 years agoPost 3
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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Thanks gyro. I was originally leaning towards the heli-max axe cp or blade cp, but after reading some posts on this forum some of the guys said the belt cp was a better heli. The reason being because it is a belt driven tail rotor and I have heard bad things about the motor driven tail rotors. I am still debating though and appreciate any input. Thanks again

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11-24-2006 07:39 PM  11 years agoPost 4
kc8qpu

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welcome to the hobby. First off why such a small heli??? Do you have a tight budget or something. SIMULATOR SIMULATOR SIMULATOR. Best bang for the buck. Also keep in mind most of the time a bigger heli will be much easier for new and inexperienced. A lot more stable. But that is just my opinion.

Carpe Diem!!!

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11-24-2006 09:47 PM  11 years agoPost 5
david raptor

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new flyer
i would say the same as kc8qpu ive been flying of 6 months useing a raptor v2 30 .i have a zoom 400 have flow once to fast of me at the minte

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11-24-2006 09:53 PM  11 years agoPost 6
tim deakin

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Welcome
i'm glad to hear that you are joining us.i agree what the others have been saying about the raptor 30,its definetly an easy heli to learn on.but the e sky is also good.
I would suggest that you buy a good make transmitter-spend as much as you can-becouse this is a seriously addictive hobbie and it will only save you money in the future.

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11-24-2006 10:25 PM  11 years agoPost 7
piroulift

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I havent looked into the raptor 30 because I'm trying to stick with electric. Also, money and complexity are an issue for me because I do expect to crash this heli, being that it is my first one. After I get the ropes a little I plan on stepping up to something more expensive.

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11-24-2006 10:45 PM  11 years agoPost 8
david raptor

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the raptor
is not to bad to repair money wise .some of these electric helicoper do half move

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11-25-2006 06:55 AM  11 years agoPost 9
piroulift

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What do you mean by half move? i am new to this.

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11-25-2006 07:14 AM  11 years agoPost 10
ozbach

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Olympia, Washington, USA

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I learned on a raptor 30, then bought a 60...seems like the bigger they are the easier too fly, after flying the nitros alot, I bought a T-rex...good God!!!...the little copters are a hand full!...They move twice as fast as the bigger copters...so you have to have a good understanding on not over controling them...just saying, you have more reaction time with the bigger machines,If you do start with a small electric, you will probably want to program some expo in your radio, or set the atv's down fairly low...these little copters move fast My T-rex was all over the place the first time I flew it, because I was used to flying my bigger ones, now if you do learn on a small one first, and then move too the bigger machines. You will have no problems at all flying them. Another problem I had with my T-rex was trying to fly it out as far as I fly my nitros...just about lost it a few times couldnt tell which way it was pointing...I lucked out,and didnt crash...and learned too keep it a bit closer...there are all kinds of pros and cons on what to start on...but like I said, you learn how too fly a small electric, "collective pitch" and you can fly anything after that!!!

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11-25-2006 07:19 AM  11 years agoPost 11
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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Thanx alot for the info and advice. I think I am going to start with an electric, whether it be an axe cp or a belt cp has yet to be decided.

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11-25-2006 03:13 PM  11 years agoPost 12
C Schoolcraft

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columbus,oh-usa

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if you want to start with electric and other have said that larger helis fly better have you looked at the jr voyager e it has a 38" rotor lenght. its about $400 but it comes with everything exept radio and gyro.

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11-25-2006 03:37 PM  11 years agoPost 13
kc8qpu

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If you don't have a real tight budget and want to stay with electric you can always look into the trex 600.BIG ELECTRIC BIRD

Carpe Diem!!!

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11-25-2006 03:49 PM  11 years agoPost 14
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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Yeah
both of those helis look really nice but the wife has set a budget for me on the first one I get......she wants to make sure I'll use it. I also know I'll crash it and want to move on to something later. So to put all my eggs in one basket isnt what I want to do right now. Thanks a ton for all the input guys! Hopefully I'll be up and flying soon!

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11-25-2006 04:43 PM  11 years agoPost 15
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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I know there is a radio forum but since I'm new and all....is the Spectrum DX6 a good one for a beginner with a little room to grow? Also, I only need the transmitter and receiver but it comes with servos too. Can this transmitter be purchased without them?

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11-25-2006 05:00 PM  11 years agoPost 16
bagobitz

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saddleworth,lancs,UK

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given that money is tight, you have one REAL choice....it has to be ...... A SIM!!!
realflight G3 has many "extras" that the others lack, but the rendered fields (5000 square miles to explore) take a lot of fast computer and a fair video card..the photofields are impressive,but you are stood in the middle of a "room" It comes with it's own Futaba controller, umpteen planks and assorted heli's ,an airship,a nightflying upgrade (FREE) support on this forum.....sim sub-forum...from "Vitek"......several different flying fields...etc.
also you can use your "real" radio to control, if you desire.

Reflex XTR has many of these features,but photofields only and you have to use your "real" radio. some say the actual flight physics are better. huge numbers of additional planes and fields are available for download.

Phoenix is the "new kid on the block" so far, support appears to be excellent and the sim also has water takeoff/landing feature.
"real" transmitter needed.

for me, G3 is way ahead "best bang for the buck" The $20 add-on got the Raptor 30 (among others) it flies so close to the "real thing" as makes no difference.
There's a small electric that's so "squirrelly" I thought it totally unflyable......a year later I can fly a full battery on it.

OK, you want the "real thing?" -go ahead, spend half your budget on a heli and the other half on crash-parts. we all know,(and have the bills to prove it1) -you WILL need them.

Sim is cheaper, more convenient and more family-friendly.

visit the "sim " forum, then buy G3 (used ones turn up here on the classifieds, at a saving and Great Planes will re-register, no probs. you can buy,use,sell again at very little cost and it's GUARANTEED to save you $$$$$$$ thousands in crash-costs, fuel to the field, waiting on parts to arrive and,of course the weather and daylight are unimportant.

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11-25-2006 07:07 PM  11 years agoPost 17
Two Left Thumbs

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Houston, Texas - USA

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I agree with getting a sim, or budgeting your purchase price again for crash parts. Believe me, if this is your first heli, you will be buying LOTS of crash parts, quickly equaling your purchase price.

So, for approximately that cost, you can purchase a simulator and greatly reduce your crashing. The sim will be with you your entire heli career, no matter how advanced you are.

Now, as to which heli, I think it is hard to beat the Blade CP or CP Pro in bang for the buck.

Since you plan to upgrade soon after, you might consider the Blade CX. It is much easier to fly, you will crash less, and still learn orientation. Then you can upgrade and skip the CP and go to something bigger.

How well can you fly your neighbor's sim?

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11-25-2006 08:05 PM  11 years agoPost 18
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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I can hold a hover right now. I also downloaded a free sim from FMS but dont have a controller to practice with. Can you pick up just a controller that will work with this sim?

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11-26-2006 06:59 AM  11 years agoPost 19
piroulift

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Grand Rapids, MI, USA

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Well, I went to the local hobby shop today and picked up a Blade CP pro. Figured I would go the route that allows me to pick up spare parts the same day I crash. I flew it twice tonight inside my garage and didnt have any problems. It's a little more twitchy and responsive than the sims I flew but its coming along and I had a couple decent hovers already. Cant wait to go to the open field tomorrow! Thanx a ton for all the help and input guys. I still plan on picking up a sim as well, since it will definately help.

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11-26-2006 07:03 AM  11 years agoPost 20
Two Left Thumbs

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Congrats on the hover! Have fun at the field, watch out for wind. When it gusts, the heli wants to go up, but sometimes it goes down!

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