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11-23-2006 01:05 AM  11 years agoPost 1
Yug

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After spending the last few years with the old Reflex and XTR, I ordered myself a copy of Phoenix yesterday as I'd heard many good things about it. There was a knock at the door today and Mr postman handed me a package. I hurried back upto my shed with a fresh mug of tea and bickies, got it all installed and calibrated my Tx. 1st thing I noticed as that I must have a minor graphics problem because the cursor is a white square and some of the menu entries are just white rectangles. Nevermind, I need to upgrade my video card anyway; it's about 4 years old.
I'm impressed with the scenery graphics as things appear very clearly and it is also interesting to note that the resolution chosen fills the monitor window with an appropriate sized screen. Sticking to 1280 x 1024 until I get a new card and use it's full potential of 1920 x 1200. Phoenix certainly employs a far more efficient graphics engine than XTR and I can even play MP3s without the sound conking out.
The sceneries offered are very good with a decent selection of environments including a lake which you can actually land on; the rotor wash can be seen ruffing up the water as well - nice touch.
Snow mountains- yummy. Light reflection and general lighting seems good and the aircraft always appear clearly although that's not necessarily how it is at the field on a grey cold day. It's all clearer than XTR although I don't care much for the way the smoke is represented. Also found that I had to turn off auto zoom as it was mucking up my perception of the shape of big manouvers.
I mainly fly my 50s at the field for obvious reasons, I was supprised not to find a Raptor in the heli selection, so I went for a Knight50 to accustomise myself with the flying environment.
Hovering stuff feels pretty much the same as XTR but the thing that 1st really struck me was how easy the heli was to fly although it took a short while to dial myself into the different response rates. The way the heli tracked was much better than XTR and much more like the real thing, piro 8s and loops, pie dish, hurricanes, piro walls of death etc etc just lock in very nicely unlike XTR which is very twitchy so you can't go to sleep. Great, all that stuff flows well. However it did take a little longee to get the synchronisation right for rolling flight (8s and stuff); there's something odd about backwards clockwise rolling circles, but that particular manouver can be a bit like that particularly keeping the tail true.
The one thing that I do not like is the maths doesn't seem to take into account the effects of the tail rotor wash in tictocs which I think is very important. ie when doing right sided tictocs, the TR wash aids lift while left sided tictocs, the TR wash works against you so your timing has to be very different. As you're progressing through big ben, this requires constant adjustment, but with Pheonix, this isn't the case. bummer.
I also found the behaviour of autos a bit odd in that there's a cutoff point about 3 feet off the ground where the lift dynamics suddenly change. Not been able to come to terms with that. Kind of on the same subject, I was sure when doing some fast and low knife edge hurricanes that the blades were a few inches off the ground, but according to the sim, I'd crashed
For some reason, I found it a little hard to find the sweet spot with cones of various flavours. Og well, different heli, different sim, it all takes time to dial in.

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11-23-2006 01:14 AM  11 years agoPost 2
colsy

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A Good time to try G3 then, as you're in comparison mood.

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11-23-2006 01:17 AM  11 years agoPost 3
Yug

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I might- it's been a while. BTW, there's a great little autogyro in Phoenics. Never tried one before, interesting flight dynamics

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11-23-2006 05:34 PM  11 years agoPost 4
digger123

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i use xtr it is setup fairly twicthy with most helis which really keeps you on the ball with your flying praticing at getting a move right is hard but once mastered can be took to the field with little probs with a mid priced titan 50.i borrowed phoenix off a mate for a few weeks and found it to fly to easy you dont really have to work at it its like a perfectly setup heli with top of the range gear fitted and zero wind.the guy how owns it does not come to the field and try things he can do on hes sim i do.autos did not feel right you have to flare to full stick just to stop the thing.liked the blade flutter noise. the graphics are about the same as xtr but a little more efficent but does not worry anyone with a good pc.

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11-23-2006 05:57 PM  11 years agoPost 5
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I found autos on Phoenics a bit wierd. The auto trainer thing is OK but in normal flight the heli just seems to loose it when you flare. It is however good to hear the blade noise.

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11-23-2006 06:32 PM  11 years agoPost 6
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also of course you have to remember phoenix is very good value for money at £80 and good fun. there are good and bad bits with all sims i have played with but i do find xtr to have the most realistic physics.just a note i have not used realflight g3.

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11-23-2006 07:45 PM  11 years agoPost 7
MrMel

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Regards to auto:

Question, do you have the stick at the bottom (full negative) at the auto? In Phoenix phoenix the heli dont fall fast enough as in real life, but your blades are still at -10 or -11 or whatever, so when you flare, its not much to "flare" with..

If you instead put the stick at -4 which you would do in real life, the flare dont need to be as big.

(I know they are addressing the falling speed issue in the next version)

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11-23-2006 08:56 PM  11 years agoPost 8
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If you put the stick at -6 for most of the auto on Phoenix, just at the point at which you'd flare, it suddenly plummets to the ground inspite of the fact you've maintained respectable HS. The funny thing is that it behaves completely differently in the auto training sim.

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11-23-2006 08:58 PM  11 years agoPost 9
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Check if you have any wind else the vortex will create that effect (as in real life), could be that training have oncoming wind as default..

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11-24-2006 01:46 AM  11 years agoPost 10
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Spent some more time with it this evening. It just seems a little more sensitive to hang time in vertical descent and I was missing the sweet spot. It's greating having the audio feedback of the main rotors because aerobatic autos are so much easier
Will be getting a new video card tomorrow so I'm really looking forward to a decent fps at 1920 x 1200. Been running it at 1920 x 1200 this evening (low fps) but the scenerys are tremendous and depth of field is much better than expected. Piro manouvers do seem so easy compared to XTR and I still can't make my mind up if it's down to less stick sensitivity or the maths. Am still finding it hard to get a good line through rolling 8s but I expect this will improve once I have a decent fps.
The only thing that is really bugging me is the symmetry of tictocs in various orientations, because left or right sided seem to be very similar, which in real life are not due to the TR wash.

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11-24-2006 01:18 PM  11 years agoPost 11
matey

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Guy,

Have you got the latest version as theres an updated one on the phoenix web site for download together with a TREX600 and 450SE?

Regards

Mark

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11-24-2006 01:40 PM  11 years agoPost 12
mattie-lodge

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Think your find that the next patch will be out very shortly for these fixes.

Top sim, I bought it the other day. Can't put it down. Planks fly good as well.

Geegar

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11-24-2006 01:47 PM  11 years agoPost 13
colsy

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YUG, i really think you need G3 to do a proper comparison,,,
Of course whilst you are testing my G3 out, i may as well try your Phoenix at the same time.

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11-24-2006 01:58 PM  11 years agoPost 14
Synergy

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Yug - I strongly suggest you e-mail your comments to Phoenix, as they are the only main sim developer I know of that actually listen and take customer's comments into account. Who knows - you might even get the tail-wash in the next update if you're quick!

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11-24-2006 04:11 PM  11 years agoPost 15
Yug

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I received a new graphics card today as the one I had been using was rather old. Plugged it into my PC and the bloody motherboard failed so I'm waiting to receive spare parts to fix it. This rather nackers my work
Anyhow, I installed phoenics on my laptop and what do you know, it works great. The problems I had before relating to the mouse cursor and edit windows in phoenics are all behaving themselfes now. The smoke which I initally grumbled about is also now fine. Calibration also works properly now so it was my PC all along causing the problems I looks like a few capacitors have blown their top.
Correct Tx calibration also seems to have fixed the issues I had with autos, so the only grumble I have now is with the TR wash. I'll email Phoenics. cheers

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11-24-2006 05:33 PM  11 years agoPost 16
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A mate had the caps blow on his motherboard a couple of years back . A quick internet check revealed that a load of faulty caps , that had been scrapped due to fauly manufacture , found their way back into the system !

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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11-24-2006 05:54 PM  11 years agoPost 17
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This was a MAINBOARD motherboard. Our company has also had a similar problem with ASUS boards.

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12-01-2006 01:48 AM  11 years agoPost 18
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I'd forgotten this thread. Anyhow, I went back to XTR tonight after a week of Phoenix, bloody hell, XTR is twitchy. Found it really hard to keep good tracking on knife edge hurricanes and my chaos had gone to pieces Unfortunately, I've had naff all time at the field lately, but I feel it's now important to do a real comparison between XTR, Phoenix and the real thing because Phoenix makes everything so easy. If indeed Phoenix is very forgiving, then it may well not be the best practice tool during the dark hours. We'll see.

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12-01-2006 07:40 AM  11 years agoPost 19
MrMel

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Yug, Just raise the hover-instability and lower the knife edge turning setting if you feel its too easy

The update that is due soon really makes phoenix even better.

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12-01-2006 09:08 AM  11 years agoPost 20
Yug

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MrMel - thanks, I hadn't realised that menu item was there until you mentioned it. Yep, that's made a difference.
I'm a Phoenix convert
Just love the visuals

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