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11-22-2006 02:21 PM  11 years agoPost 1
ROMPWORTHY

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Comstock park MI.

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I have purchased a used Raptor 60 w/70TT in it and my question is:
Aside from painting the canopy what way can I make this bird mine, like upgrades and such that arn't to pricy sence it will be a lawn dart at one time (I have never flown).It is a RTF bird so I want to do something to it.

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11-22-2006 02:26 PM  11 years agoPost 2
JRjoe

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New Heli??

Fly it as is no need to dump money into it.Learn to fly first.


JRjoe.....
Indoor plumbing??? No, we don't need that!!!

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11-22-2006 02:30 PM  11 years agoPost 3
C-DOG

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SunShineState

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If you have never flown.Upgrades why?
Although you could put some nice carbon fiber vertical and hoizontal fins on it.The best upgrade would be a case of fuel with your name on it. Add colorfull skid braces, to match your new paint job.Put a scale fuse on it.Just practice practice and practice.I would wear out what is on there before replacing items.But that is just my opinion.

Good Luck Corey I PAY-PAL

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11-22-2006 02:43 PM  11 years agoPost 4
PaulJC

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Best possible upgrades:

A crash kit or 2
A few cases of fuel
A set of training sticks

Only thing needed after is dedication and practice

Re-entering the atmosphere...

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11-22-2006 03:14 PM  11 years agoPost 5
Rafael23cc

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Junction City, KS

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Things to keep in mind everytime you consider upgrades....

1. It adds cost to a crash
2. The flying characteristics of the heli could be different.
3. Some fo them are just "bling" and are only for no. 1 above.

If you have not flown, and do not know how your heli flies:

- Why do you want to change the flight characteristics?

If you have not flown and you know (as the rest of us also know) that you ARE going to crash:

- Why do you want to add to the reapir cost?

Crashing is part of this hobby. At the end, spending YOUR money is up to you, but we rather see you stick with the hobby than to see you frustrated and broke because you lost your blinged out helicopter the first time you tried to fly.

When you get to a point where you will notice a change in flight characteristics of a helicopter, then upgrades are noticeable and worth it. You will not see any benefit to any upgrades while hovering around in the learning stages.

Rafael

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11-22-2006 03:17 PM  11 years agoPost 6
Eury

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That heli is one that really needs nothing, it flies perfect right out of the box. I wouldn't mess with it. You can add upgrades to it, but it still will never be on the level of a Fury or an Avant, all you're doing is increasing the cost and complexity.

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11-22-2006 03:23 PM  11 years agoPost 7
JR_Vibefreak

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but it still will never be on the level of a Fury or an Avant,
Hahahaha!

I agree with that
MikeFortin

Or another upgrade is FMA Co-pilot
if needed!

GIXXER4LIFE Philipp

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11-22-2006 03:25 PM  11 years agoPost 8
Rogan

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It is a RTF bird so I want to do something to it.

Fly it???
Amen.

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11-22-2006 03:41 PM  11 years agoPost 9
Eury

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That's laughable.

First of all nobody asked, secondly that's your opinion.

Having flown both aforementioned helis my personal opinion is that the Raptor as a whole is better and offers a more pleasurable experience for it's owners.

Why?

1. It's a proven heli..not a prototype yet still to be released.
2. Ease of ownership (maintenece, parts availability, Cost)
3. Reliability

Again this is just my opinion.
So you think a Raptor 60 with a TT70 is on the same level as a Fury, or an Avant (which by the way, is not a prototype yet to be released, they have been flying for years.) OK, how about a Vibe? Synergy? You think a Raptor 60 with a TT70 is on the same level as those?

I wish I lived in your fantasy world. The question asked was what upgrades he should get, I answered:
That heli is one that really needs nothing, it flies perfect right out of the box. I wouldn't mess with it. You can add upgrades to it, but it still will never be on the level of a Fury or an Avant, all you're doing is increasing the cost and complexity.
I can see how you'd be bent out of shape by that. It'd really piss me off is someone said that my company's heli flies perfect out of the box doesn't need upgrades, and doesn't compete with helis it was never intended to compete with. You are the only person in the world who would think a Raptor 60 with a TT70 is competitive with helis that cost twice as much and are not geared towards the same market.

You're funny, Fortin. TT could take a dump in a box and hand it to you and you'd say it's the greatest thing in the world.

Again, this is just my opinion.

Nick Crego

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11-22-2006 03:48 PM  11 years agoPost 10
hockeysew

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Co-USA

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Spend your cash on Fuel and a Sim-
Money wisely spent.
You already have the heli so it is already yours.
If you want to personalize it some put some graphics on it.
Dont waste money putting Bling on it because chances are you will end up replacing a lot of those parts in the learning stages anyway.
One thing about the Bling- the metal parts will stress the machine heavily when you do crash.
Plastic parts will break and absorb some of the stress of a crash.
This MAY? prevent some more serious damage to the machine from occuring.

Liberals are like a "Slinky", useless but entertaining when pushed down stairs....

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11-22-2006 05:00 PM  11 years agoPost 11
ROMPWORTHY

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Comstock park MI.

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Thanks for all the replies
I just wanted to add my own touch

Troy

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11-22-2006 05:06 PM  11 years agoPost 12
PaulJC

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I just wanted to add my own touch
If you REALLY want to add something, paint and mayby carbon fins.

Both items are cheap and robust

Re-entering the atmosphere...

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11-22-2006 05:45 PM  11 years agoPost 13
Eury

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Dover NH

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Take a look at these fins, I just bought a set of Gohbee painted G10 ones for my heli, and they are awesome, and a great deal. Here's the link, they are towards the bottom.

http://www.gohbee.com/Merchant2/mer...egory_Code=1275

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11-22-2006 07:02 PM  11 years agoPost 14
Eury

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There wasn't a comparison Mike, the point was made that the heli is fine as it is, don't waste money on upgrades trying to make it something it isn't. WHY WOULD YOU ARGUE WITH ME ON THAT?!?!?! Instead of giving me s#!t for saying that it's a great product that doesn't need any changes, go work on yourself. I don't like you, you don't like me, that's well established. If you don't want to get into a public argument with me, then don't start them.

If someone wants a good reason to not own a TT products, here it is. Mike is a great example of the TT/Ace organization (he's a rep for them), who feels that TT/Ace can do no wrong. That is the exact same attitude you will get if you call up TT/Ace support. They feel that they are a gift from God, and beyond reproach. If there is a problem, YOU caused it, YOU are wrong, THEY are right, and THEY are better than you. Compare that with the attitude of Jeff Green at MRC/Hirobo, and you'll see why I no longer own any TT products and moved to other vendors. I LOVED my Raptor 60 and 90. I LOVED my Raptor 50. I'd even go so far as to say that the Raptor 60 I had with an OS70 was the best flying heli, most trouble free I've ever had. It flew great, and had the crash costs of a 50. The attitude of Ace was so bad on a few issues that I got rid of it, because I didn't want to own anything associated with them.

BTW, save your pms and emails Ace reps, I've dealt with your crap enough, I'm not going to read them. I've communicated with guys there who are helpful and don't have the "holier than thou" attitude, but they don't seem to make an improvement in the overall picture. If you want to convince me that TT/Ace has changed, either rein this guy in, or drop him. Every time he posts, it's just a graphic illustration of the incompetence of the TT/Ace organization. If I lived in a country that wasn't serviced by Ace, I'd own TT products, it's a great line up entirely let down by the attitude of the distributor, and perfectly illustrated by Mr Mike Fortin.

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11-22-2006 07:35 PM  11 years agoPost 15
Grant H

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Missed the point of the tread
Isnt that the utter and complete truth, eurylokhos, everything you've said.

Original post.
Aside from painting the canopy what way can I make this bird mine,
He is talking about putting a personal touch on this aircraft. He wasnt talking about upgrading it to fly better like most of you commented on.

Honesly though, theres not too much you can do that hasnt been done. But what you can do to personalize your heli is fly it in no way like anyone else.

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11-22-2006 07:40 PM  11 years agoPost 16
ROMPWORTHY

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Comstock park MI.

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From paint to all this "whuu", just wanted a personal touch
i'll try fins and flying

Thanks

Troy

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11-22-2006 09:22 PM  11 years agoPost 17
eyeflyhelis

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charlotte nc

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sell it and get 2 30's or electric helis (t-rex maybe) and that would save you on plenty of costs and let you learn to fly. then go for da bling!!
t-rex custom painted carbon canopy -$40

only you have the power to make no difference!

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11-22-2006 09:40 PM  11 years agoPost 18
Droid

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Deep down in the Southwest- UK

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Nick, Mike,

Thanks guys .. i thought i could ruffle up a thread , big respect!!

Quotes may have been changed for my own amusement

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11-22-2006 11:04 PM  11 years agoPost 19
Eury

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Dover NH

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yes, initially you said it flies great..then..as usual to get your little "dig" you state the above.
That's not a dig, that's the truth. I haven't bashed Ace since talking to Rocky @ Ace a while back. Get over it, stop analyzing every post I make and trying to find faults in them. If you analyze anything enough, you can find offensive content in them.

My experiences with Ace are not isolated. There are plenty of others who have had them as well, I'm just a guy who will speak up about them. Clean house, improve the attitude, and I'll go buy a Raptor tomorrow. Posts like the one above only illustrate the point, and have an eerily similar tone to the "20 years in the business with the best helis and support" posts that Irwin at QWW makes, that result in him getting bashed. The only difference is market share, you speak from a larger installed base, so Ace gets away with it.

I'm done with this, we've messed up the poster's thread enough. You've got a great heli, ROMPWORTHY, have fun with it, and don't waste your money on upgrades, a lot of the time you end up taking away the original functionality and beauty of the design, and the design of the R60 is one of the best ones out there for affordable sport flying in a larger airframe.

Nick Crego

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