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11-22-2006 07:00 PM  11 years agoPost 21
aambrose

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You're welcome! Same to you!


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11-22-2006 07:57 PM  11 years agoPost 22
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Rob

Your sensor mount looks fine. Can't see the CF bling at 400'

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11-22-2006 08:54 PM  11 years agoPost 23
rotoryrob

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so true..LOL thanks for the help I am excited to try it out. I will be looking for another once I work it out. Did I hear that there was updated software for it. Altimeter and maybe GPS functions?

Have a wonderful turkey day!!!

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11-22-2006 09:08 PM  11 years agoPost 24
HeliKalle

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Christian is a great guy!

What can I say... Thank you, Tony!

/Christian

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11-22-2006 10:30 PM  11 years agoPost 25
rotoryrob

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hey Christian!!

You probably don't remember me but we had spoken a while back about making a mount that Tony has shown for my back then preditor would it be possible to have one made for the GSR now that I have one...LOL

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11-22-2006 10:36 PM  11 years agoPost 26
aambrose

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Can't see the CF bling at 400'
Oh, but I know it's there! Very true Mark, but Christian's looked so nice that I wanted some too! He did a great job and the pieces fit perfectly!

Kinda like getting new tennis shoes when you're a little kid -- you swear they make you run faster!


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11-23-2006 12:10 AM  11 years agoPost 27
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Tony

So true, so true.

Christian does make a very nice looking sensor mount. I tried to get in line for one when the AP2000i was first out but, alas it seemed that there were too many people wanting one. I got mine mounted and didn't get the time to try for one.

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11-24-2006 04:51 PM  11 years agoPost 28
monterey_tip

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Glad to hear you guys are successful with the AP2000i...Here's my story. I thought I had everything set up correctly on my Logo 10. I was in a steady hover at about 20 feet...sticks centered...and as soon as I turned on the Spartan, it rolled over and met the ground. Broken blades and lots of linkages/broken parts to replace.

I don't have a slider on my Futaba 7chp, so I had the gain set to 50% on a switch...maybe too high to start out? The swash moved away from a heat source, the sensor tilted to the "x" and the stab irx was selected.

I did have to reverse the aileron, elevator, and pitch settings in my tx to get the servos to move in the right direction. Should I have done this in the AP2000i, or is there something else I missed?

I had just gotten everything balanced/swash leveled/tail perfect...and it flew super smooth with the AP2000i turned off. The only good thing is I am upgrading to carbon blades, but I need to figure out what went wrong before I flip the switch again.

Any ideas...I want to be one of the "I love this thing...am totally impressed...don't know how I lived without it" guys.

Tip

...Maybe I need to change my signature line?...

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11-24-2006 05:01 PM  11 years agoPost 29
BigguyOz

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I don't have a Spartan yet, but it sure sounds to me like you definitely should have been changing the directions in the Spartan rather than the Tx.

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11-24-2006 05:10 PM  11 years agoPost 30
monterey_tip

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Yep, I suspect that could be my problem, just trying to figure out if there is something else I missed. I really hate crashing when everything is trimmed and dialed in...oh well, looking forward to getting it in the air again.

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11-24-2006 05:37 PM  11 years agoPost 31
NitroSpazzz

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you will want to reverse the servos on the AP unit itself. To test the unit safely plug everything in but don't spool up or anything. Just flip the switch and move your hand or other heat source by the sensor. The swash should move away from the heat source if everything is working right.

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11-24-2006 06:31 PM  11 years agoPost 32
Angelos

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The pilot's controls are revered on the transmitter. The stabiliser controls are reveresed on the stabiliser. My guess is that you missed the AilS and EleS adjustments.

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11-24-2006 07:18 PM  11 years agoPost 33
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I hate to flog dead horse here guys, but Montery_Tip, the EXACT SAME THING happened to me. The ONLY thing that saved me was sheer altitude. My first time up with the ap2000i I flipped the switch. My heli INSTANTLY flipped almost inverted to the right. I had my wits about me enought to shut the switch off and recover before I ended up in a heap on the ground. I took my heli home turned on the radio and the stabilizer. BAM! Aileron goes full right. So I leave it like that, and after tapping different devices, it came down to the plug going into the FMA sensor was not making good contact. I could touch it and the stabilizer would go bezerk. And no amount of adjustment corrected the problem. MY guess is, this is what happened to you, at least we need to admit that its a possibility. And I say again, I am NOT the only one who has had this problem. Numerous other guys have to, and a simple search of this site will prove it. Do yourself a favor, remove the plug receptacle from the circut board on the IR sensor, solder the wires directly to the circut board. Go to this thread scroll down and see the pic of the mod I'm refering to. Incidently, the guy that made the mod crashed due to the plug on the IR sensor.

http://www.runryder.com/t228194p4/?highlight=ap2000i

However, All that being said. I LOVE MY SPARTAN STABILIZER. I will NEVER be without one. It has saved me several times already. It is without question a quality product and AFTER I made this simple mod, I couldn't be happier. ONE MORE THING! If you are using a switch for your stabilizer, turn it on BEFORE you take off. I have mine set at 40% and Its on all the time when I'm doing AP. I want to know BEFORE I take off if there will be any problems.

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11-25-2006 12:57 AM  11 years agoPost 34
rotoryrob

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not to say that is the problem the plug. but I found that when I set mine up you need to bench test it as mentioned above turn the radio on and receiver then put your hand in front of the sensor It should move away from that side. Mine was backward on ailerons but was right on the radio so I had to make the reversal on the 2000i and then all was well. Make sure you check it before you take it in the air that is a bad place to find out something is wrong.

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11-25-2006 01:29 AM  11 years agoPost 35
monterey_tip

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After bench testing, I realize the aileron stabilization did need to be reversed. It looks like I only checked the pitch, which did move away and was set up properly, so normal pitch and reverse aileron for my setup.

I did flip off the switch as soon as I noticed something was wrong, but it rolled over so fast, I was mostly inverted at 20 feet. I put the throttle stick down, tried to pull out of the roll, but didn't have enough altitude or power so I went in sideways.

I chalk it up to another lesson learned the hard way. Damage includes 1 servo, main and tail input gears, blades, tail pitch slider arms, bent tail boom, flybar and ball link. I bet I won't do that again! New parts on the way from FXAeromodels.

As a good stabilizer, if it is set up reverse, it is completely unstable! The elevator was very stable!

I didn't solder my plug, but I did put some hot glue on the small wire ends. The wires are so tiny, I could see a problem there. How many of you are soldering it? I bet some thicker guage wires wouldn't hurt also.

Tip

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11-25-2006 02:32 AM  11 years agoPost 36
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Just an obeservation. Monterey, I noticed you said that you "flipped the switch" when it rolled over so fast. Having flown my heli a lot with my stablizer on, provide that the gain is set at a reasonable setting, say 40-60%, EVEN IF your servo WAS reversed, I don't believe it would be possible to "invert" or even come close to inverting with the stabilizer on. I run mine at 40%. Its on all the time. I'm telling you it simply will not let me go inverted I don't care what I do on the controls. I can move my right stick all the way in any direction, and although it might move away from me at a fairly fast pace, aint no way it will go inverted. Guess what? Thats EXACTLY what its suppose to do. Its suppose to protect your heli from YOURSELF. And it does it very well. SO, I still am going with your plug. Just me, sorry, your incident sounds to eerily like mine. Next time you fly, turn your stablizer on FIRST. Move that plug around. Tap on top of the IR sensor. See what happens. Also, another point. Again, I'm not the only one to have this problem. Before I soldered the wires directly to the circut board, my heli was glitching on the ground. Just the ailerons. SO I suspect the plug on the sensor. I take a REALLY close look at the wires. The blue one is broken off right at the plug, BUT touching enough to make occasional contact, therefore causing my glitch. Thats when I decided to do a direct connection to the circut board. Those tiny wires on the plug are very brittle, and over time, vibration might cause them to break, as in my case. I replace the whole harness with some wires that were quite a bit more substantial. Now, I'm truly not trying to be a nit picker. With these mods the piece is truly remarkable. Will I buy another one? You bet!! But my ship won't leave the ground until I've modded the IR sensor.

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11-25-2006 03:09 AM  11 years agoPost 37
rotoryrob

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well if he had it reversed it would roll over because it would be trying to correct in the wrong direction. I understand the plug is an issue but not right out of the box. he had the aileron backwards and it rolled over trying to correct. I bet if he ground checks it next time and it is right there will be no further problem. It is a good Idea to solder the wire directly but I don't feel it was the problem in his case.

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11-25-2006 03:35 AM  11 years agoPost 38
Burnt Offering

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Gotcha Rob, what you say makes sense. Still, check your plug!

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11-25-2006 05:30 AM  11 years agoPost 39
monterey_tip

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It was definitely reversed, because I was in a completely stable hover, flipped the switch (50% gain) and with the stick centered, it immediately flipped over on it's side. It wasn't saving itself from me, it was doing the exact opposite of what it was supposed to due to my learning curve on proper setup. I had no idea that the pitch would be normal and the aileron stab. would need to be reversed. It flew absolutely perfect before I turned it on. After the crash, I checked the direction of stabilization and it moved away from heat on pitch and towards it on roll...something I wish I had realized the first time. Expensive lesson learned. Hopefully nobody else will make the same mistake.

I totally get your mod with the wire and it totally makes sense...I might even do it, but that wasn't what caused my crash.

Tip

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11-25-2006 06:52 AM  11 years agoPost 40
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So Tip, you are in definite agreement that this was operator/setup error, and no fault of the Spartan? Some of your post seems to indicate at least some of the blame is Spartan. Have I misread your words?

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