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11-21-2006 02:49 AM  11 years agoPost 1
oopsididitagain

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Do you guys think it's better to do a piroutte using left rudder or right rudder , since right rudder motor has to work very hard to go against the main blades torque.

which way is faster or advisable to go with for a rookie?

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11-21-2006 03:20 AM  11 years agoPost 2
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The stock BCP can piro pretty impressively fast in either direction. I'd say it doesn't matter. You should be careful with it though; ease off the rudder to slow it down. If you center the stick too quickly it puts a big strain on the motor. I've even managed to pop the fuel tubing loose doing piros.

I have also noticed that when the tail motor is about to croak it can no longer spin the heli to the right.

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11-21-2006 03:30 AM  11 years agoPost 3
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so either direction and ease off rudder slowly instead of letting it center by itself to stop the piro? the motor as in the tail motor or the main?

btw guys , how high do u generally fly the bcp/cp2? cause i felt if i brought it too high up even the slightest breeze at that altitude can bring it to somewhere far as the stock setup aint that powerful.

for the cp2/bcp , do u guys have problem tracking the blades? like tracking is good until 70% left stick then the blades splits open? no matter how u adjust them?

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11-21-2006 03:45 AM  11 years agoPost 4
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I'm talking about stress on the tail motor. The poor thing's undersized as it is so I try not to push it too hard.

I fly pretty aggressively with it. Mine's a CP with B-H and the metal swash. I don't have a problem with wind but it takes a great deal of finesse to get upside down. I generally don't fly inverted with it.

If your blades are within 1/4" at a hover you're probably ok. I have flown them with 1/2" or more of a gap because I was too lazy to track them, but if you are having trouble you may just have one blade a little stiffer than the other. Are you using wood or CF blades? You may also want to check to make sure that none of your control links have slipped off the ball to the inside. They will still work that way but are very sloppy.

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11-21-2006 04:01 AM  11 years agoPost 5
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I personally don't prefer one turn over the other. I turn as needed and in accordance with my skill.

Like if my heli is on my right, a left turn is more natural since tail swings at me. That is reassuring. When the heli is on the left, I turn right for the same reason. This is why figure 8 is your first turning move as a noob.

When doing piros on the other hand, logic will tell you turning left saves motor wear when compared to turning right.

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11-21-2006 04:55 AM  11 years agoPost 6
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no this is on a stock cp2 on 3 cell lipo 9 pinion and heat sinks. stock wooden blades. i wonder why the plasti blades doesnt make it fly well.

in what way flying figure 8? i can do figure 8 with tail in. or it has to be a figure 8 with the heli nose pointing to the direction its goin at all times?

gino: can u give me some sequence of practising as i think im ready for FF but dont know how to kick off it.

more advise pls

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11-21-2006 06:49 AM  11 years agoPost 7
Gino CP

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Figure 8 is bringing heli towards one side in forward flight, say right side. Then stop heli and rotate counterclockwise so now heli is facing the left side. Then forward flight until you are on left side. Then rotate clockwise so heli is facing the right side. Forward and repeat.

Hover then til heli foward little until heli moves forward. Tilt backwards to stop. Bring heli back to you. Continue this until can cover long distances and handle more speed.

Then you must learn side-in. That is hovering with heli facing left or right. Once you master that, tilt heli forward to get it moving. Tilt backward to stop. Then you can try slow figure 8s as described above.

The key is to rotate heli slowly at an angle over several sessions. Increase angle of hovering until you are hovering side-in. Do for other side too.This takes time and many battery packs.

Once you master side-ins, you can learn slow figure 8s.

After that practice hovering from ground nose-in haha. Same procedure as learning to hover. relearn everything. It shouldn't take long. Learing nose-in makes side-ins easier.

Then in any nose direction, tilting forward gives you forward flight.

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11-21-2006 05:27 PM  11 years agoPost 8
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wow thanks gino , great details but how should the stick movements be?

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11-21-2006 10:58 PM  11 years agoPost 9
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I suggest you try ground skimming to orient you with ff. Find a large flat and smooth area. Throttle up until heli is light on skids.

To move forward, move right stick forward a little. If heli, doesn't move apply a little throttle.

To move backwards, move right stick back. Move back to center to stop.

To move sideways, move stick to left or right.

To turn, move tail by moving left stick left or right. Then after the turn, move the heli forward by moving right stick forward.

Orient yourself this way and add a little height as you improve.

Try nose-in skimming. It is fun. Start heli tail-in. Move right stick forward to go forward. Stop (right stick center). Turn by moving left stick (tail) to left or right then stop when heli is facing you. Then move right stick forward. As you gain speed apply a little throttle.

You are basically driving a hover carft now. This teaches you 2d ff directional controls. Do this for several days so they become natural to you.

When this is natural to you. Hover and do exercises in the air. Do slow excercises. But this time, to stop you may need to move right stick backwards for a second then back to center.

This, by the way is the Radd method.

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