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11-20-2006 03:55 PM  11 years agoPost 1
jimco

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Looks like we have had another disaster somewhere. gas is rising again. Wonder what Corporate Board room , has had a shortage show up.???
Damned shame that we won't just go on about a 5 days strike. Park everything, and let em store it for a week. Should end the shortage.Huh???

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11-20-2006 04:32 PM  11 years agoPost 2
TorkRod

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That would do it, I'm in! I'm thinkin 2 days would do it though! We use fuel at an alarming rate!

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11-20-2006 04:47 PM  11 years agoPost 3
jimco

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Worked for the French. They parked all trucks, remember. Government woke up and things got right. I really am getting tired of all this "Sex and no Sugar" deal.

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11-20-2006 09:35 PM  11 years agoPost 4
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Out here in SF the price started going up the day after the election BUT the price of a barrel of crude has been dropping since long before the election and is still inching lower now down to apporox $55 - down from $70+ so why are gas prices going up now with crude dropping in price?? Before the election regular was $2.299 now it's 2.499. WTF is going on - the usual screw the American public by those greedy Oil Company SOB's??

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11-20-2006 09:46 PM  11 years agoPost 5
jimco

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Lame duck president, doint his payback. Oil put him there, and now it's their turn. Mine and your turn in the barrel.

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11-20-2006 09:52 PM  11 years agoPost 6
EvoFlight50

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Lame duck president, doint his payback. Oil put him there, and now it's their turn. Mine and your turn in the barrel.
what does that mean? its the presidents fault the oil companies are raising prices? while i dont support bush i dont think he is the one that raises the prices of gas at shell and mobil ...

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11-20-2006 10:01 PM  11 years agoPost 7
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Just sit back and watch: Market forces are not causing the price rise. Look back at the end of each presidents term, since Nixon, always a shortage of something, prices out of control, and no restrictions placed on em , due to it being payback.

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11-20-2006 10:05 PM  11 years agoPost 8
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Just wait and watch the news about oil companies executives ripping obsene bonuses and profits from motorists

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11-20-2006 10:07 PM  11 years agoPost 9
EvoFlight50

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so since the price of copper is through the roof is that bush's fault too? ... what about condos now selling for almost $400,000 where i live when 6-7 years ago the same condo would have costed you around $200-220,000 ... is that Bush's fault too ...

yeah he sucks but its seems like you people are blaming every single possible thing on him ... like he has control over every facet of this country or something ...

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11-20-2006 10:15 PM  11 years agoPost 10
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Evo: If you don't think that his idiot policies don't have an effect on every facet of what goes on in this nation, you need to get a grip. Runaway inflation starts with lack of confidence in the administration. Bush has put the US at its' lowest point in history. Someone just mentioned how many jobs had been created under Bush, check the payscale on those jobs. As long as we export the manufacturing side of our economy, all the tech side of our economy, and go for this Service Related BS> we will continue to lose ground. The middle class of the nation is disappearing at a rapid clip. Check the weekly unemployment quotes. Check the average income of working class Americans. Everything is going down, not up.

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11-20-2006 10:24 PM  11 years agoPost 11
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Evo: You just touched another nerve. Copper: Why do you think copper is so high?? It's going to China and other countries that are making stuff for us. They don't have it, and we do.
Now for cause and effect: Last year, I was paying less than $60.00 a roll for 50 ft. of 7/8 refrigeration copper. 3/8 had never exceeded $16.00 for 50 ft. Just last month, before the price drop, 7/8 was $176.00 and 3/8 was $56.00. That make a made up line set for 5 ton ac unit, comes in at $7.80 a running foot. Do the math. Some of us in this country are sick of outsourcing.

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11-20-2006 10:37 PM  11 years agoPost 12
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so you think the price of copper is rising because china is buying it all up to make stuff for us?

check out this chart:
http://www.copper.org/resources/mar...global93-02.gif

Asia doesnt consume much more copper than Europe does ... so i guess Europe uses so much copper because they also use it all on jobs the U.S is outsourcing

China uses so much copper because their economy has been growing at almost 9% annualy ... but i guess the only reason they are growing so fast is because the U.S is outsourcing our jobs to them

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11-20-2006 10:43 PM  11 years agoPost 13
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Someone just mentioned how many jobs had been created under Bush, check the payscale on those jobs
so jobs were created but thats not good enough ... how would you like to increase the payscale for these jobs?

its impossible to increase the manufacturing in the U.S and to create more high paying jobs ... i shouldnt say impossible but nearly impossible ... where are companies going to get the money to open factories buy all the physical capital they need and supply high paying jobs? ... its not possible ...

what do you think the government should open up these factories and pay the workers? ... so then they'll just borrow even more and send inflation through the roof ...

globalization is a fact if you dont like it you have to be ahead of everyone else and the only way to do that is to get a good education ... in my first year of college even the professors told us not to expect to get a decent job without a masters degree ... and its not because the U.S is outsourcing our jobs to the world its because the world is catching up with us

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11-21-2006 01:18 AM  11 years agoPost 14
jimco

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Evo" Just like I said, get educated, it will help, while standing in the unemployment line. That way, you can read the instructions to sit down and wait. Masters for a good job, cut me some slack. Good technicians in the future will make more money. Simply because they will be having to repair the delapadated infrastructure that is becoming America.

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11-21-2006 01:32 AM  11 years agoPost 15
EvoFlight50

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Evo" Just like I said, get educated, it will help, while standing in the unemployment line. That way, you can read the instructions to sit down and wait. Masters for a good job, cut me some slack. Good technicians in the future will make more money. Simply because they will be having to repair the delapadated infrastructure that is becoming America.
no offense but thats the most ridiculous thing i've heard ... get educated and it will help you while standing in the unemployment line ... good technicians will be immigrants ... every year more and more the trades are all immigrants ... because they do it for less ... thats not going to change ...

a long time ago a GED was almost as good as a high school diploma ... and all you needed was a high school diploma to get a good job .. then a high school diploma became about as good as a GED used to be and you needed a bachelors degree to get a good job ... now so many people have a bachelors companies want to see a masters ... i dont know about you but i dont want to be competing with juan and pablo for a job ... and working outside when its 0 degrees out kinda sucks

i guess it also depends where you live ... in your other post you said $80 per square foot for a decent house .. i dont know where you're going to find a 1000 square foot house for 80,000 ...

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11-21-2006 02:01 AM  11 years agoPost 16
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As I said, no bells and whistles. Bout as plane as you can get. About the outsourcing. Don't think, that as the electronic revolution progresses, that it will not be uncommon for someone in Pakistan, India, or other countries to be doing your CAD work, and faxing it to the US. High caliber jobs will probably be in more jeopardy than low caliber. Witness what happened to Nasa , a few years back. Some engineers ended up homeless, couldn't find work, too overqualified to work in convenience store, etc. This one world economy is a great Idea, but for the wrong countries. Not for the US. At the rate that we are going, less than 40 years, we will be third world. Looking at whats happened since 1970, it may not take that long.
Take a look at what it takes to live today. If you don't make atleast $1000.00 a week, you really are in trouble. I'm sure none of you remember when $1.00 an hour was a good wage. Was 1958-59, and you could almost live on it. Today, I charge $65.00 an hour, and really just get bye. I'm 62, almost everything paid for, and sometimes it still gets tight. Keep in mind, that I have pretty good expenses with parts restocking, etc. But it's crazy to have to charge that to repair an ac unit. Bad thing is, the bigger cities like Houston, Beaumont, Dallas, some are as high as $85.00. So you can see, thing are out of balance. Actually made more net money back in 1974 with rates of 16.50/hr.

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11-21-2006 02:13 AM  11 years agoPost 17
EvoFlight50

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Don't think, that as the electronic revolution progresses, that it will not be uncommon for someone in Pakistan, India, or other countries to be doing your CAD work, and faxing it to the US. High caliber jobs will probably be in more jeopardy than low caliber. Witness what happened to Nasa , a few years back. Some engineers ended up homeless, couldn't find work, too overqualified to work in convenience store, etc
theres arguments for both sides .. in my oppinion the jobs that are going to be in danger are the low caliber jobs ... because the one thing that will never change in this country is immigration ... and immigrants do not work the higher caliber jobs ... because the majority of them are all uneducated ...

right now a lot of high tech jobs are being outsourced because for example the economy in India hasnt had a huge need for computer programmers ... however, now that the tech is making its way across the globe the programmers in India will now be needed by India ... it will no longer be efficient for U.S business to outsource to India because it wont be cheaper ... so just the opposite of what you're saying will happen ... we will have to look in our own country to fill the jobs ... and when this happens if you dont have an education you're going to be fighting for a job with someone who just ran across the border ...

you cant compare whats going on with NASA decades ago to whats going on now ...

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11-21-2006 02:21 AM  11 years agoPost 18
jimco

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Comeon Evo: Not all immigrants are uneducated: Witness the Iraqi gal, that just paid 20 million for a space shuttle ride. Try Felix Sabatas, Nascar team co owner, and the list goes on and on. True, puddle jumpers are mostly poor and uneducated. But most of em will bust their A$$ when asked to. Just a shame that our government will not enforce the rules.

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11-21-2006 02:24 AM  11 years agoPost 19
EvoFlight50

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i didnt say all i said most ...

we'll see what happens ... we both have reasons as to why we think the way we do .. maybe in 20 years we'll still be on RR and we can bring this thread back up and one of us will be able to say "i told ya so!"

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11-21-2006 02:30 AM  11 years agoPost 20
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Sounds like a winner to me. Just hope I make another 20, hehe, you may win by default. ???

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