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10-28-2006 09:51 PM  11 years agoPost 81
KCT

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Ontario, Canada

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AirwolfRC,

you are not answering any of my questions, all you do is drifting into
different subjects avoiding a straight forward answer. You are then
accusing others of wrong assumptions. That may be the reason why you
sound so stupid. No one can understand what you are actually trying to say at times. Perhaps you are affraid to be quoted wrong.
And please do not capitalize the addressing, it may be understood
to be rude. Unless you want to be understood like that. In wich case
you have underlined to your reputation once more.
At this point your thread contribution lead nowhere other than trash
talk. But what the heck, this is a good way to bump up ones post count.
Enjoy yourself in your misery.

I am out of here...

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron,

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10-28-2006 09:54 PM  11 years agoPost 82
turboomni

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Well as good as these radios may be ,I'm going to wait for the Spektrum 9 channel to come out. That way I won't have to worry about waiting for an open channel or getting shot down by some newbie with a HiTek 4 channel foam flyer radio for 99 bucks or a Pro with the 14 channel Futaba FX-40 for 3000.
Also they are very fast and no interference. But I won't buy one until it's been out awhile and I get some opinions from owners on it's performance of course.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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10-28-2006 09:57 PM  11 years agoPost 83
AirWolfRC

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KCT,
I always am amused when I find one failing to gain the advantage, they start accusing others of what they themselvs are guilty of. Talk about trying to divert the subject ?!

Wolfgang

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10-29-2006 12:09 AM  11 years agoPost 84
RCfan

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Cute trick, trying to tell others what they should think.

I consider myself a pragmatist, not an elitist. The only thing I'm an elitist about is being a pragmatist. That is the approach of an engineer.

I do not engage in bling or complexity unless it can provide a worthwile advantage. 17 point curves don't do that (a RevMax can make that superfluous). 2048 resolution may but 1024 is more than good enough. Latency around 25ms is desirable but I don't need a 14MZ to get that.
You call yourself an "engineer" yet are unable to grasp the technological advances these radios have brought?! You obviously have a very narrow view of this hobby (or at least choose to), which probably is why you don't understand all the different environments in which these radios are meant to operate in. The "complexity" you mention are highly sought-out features by many folks; those that understand their value. Are you afraid of progress, or are you just anti-Futaba? Either way, you probably should stop emabarrasing yourself. Engineers at least can provide proof to back their statements; you haven't. All you've done is kick, scream and sometimes resort to insults and innuendos in order to achieve some goal. What is it that you're after? (so far you've avoided answering this question).

For the longest time radio systems have been stagnant in the features they provide. Here comes Futaba leading a new way of thinking, and instead of at least trying to understand the changes by learning first hand what they are (as any good and respecting engineer would do), you have reached ridiculous and unsubstantiated conclusions. These radios speak for themselves; no one needs to justify them to you.

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10-29-2006 03:33 AM  11 years agoPost 85
turboomni

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For the longest time radio systems have been stagnant in the features they provide.
In your opinion what are the new features you use with your Futaba that really make a difference in you heli flying experience compared to older radios?

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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10-29-2006 09:25 AM  11 years agoPost 86
Cicolli

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Perth, Western Australia

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I have been a long time JR 10X user and have just recently made the switch to the 12z.

I decided to get the 12 over the 14 for a number of reasons. Mainly because I just felt the 12 was easier for me to hold. The 14 felt a bit clumsy in my hands.

So far I am very happy with the radio. It has all the functionality I could ever want but of-course lacks the bling factor of the 14. I really like the user interface and the general ease of programming.

I think that both of these radios are great value for money. I bought the 10X 9 years ago and at the time it was very expensive, over $2000 AUS. I can remember thinking what a huge investment it was at the time, but at the end of the day the initial investment is quickly forgotten if you have a top quality product, and I think that both the 12 and 14 are examples of this.

If you dont mind not having all the bells and whistles then get the 12. If you want the fruit get the 14. Either way you will be happy.


Paul.

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10-29-2006 02:23 PM  11 years agoPost 87
RCfan

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In your opinion what are the new features you use with your Futaba that really make a difference in you heli flying experience compared to older radios?
Do a search! Actually, I've answered this several times in this thread alone. You just will never be satisfied with any answer as you're nothing but a troll looking to stir-up trouble and turn people's words around for no reason other than to misbehave. Grow up!
I can compare it to watching a black&white 14" TV 20 years ago and suddenly jumping to a 60" widescreen HDTV. You can't put it in words, you have to try it for yourself to understand it.
Want to talk about flexibility, what other radio do you know that gives you 8 separate flight conditions that you can prioritize, where each channel (not just throttle and pitch) can be setup using a custom curve with up to 17 points each, provide you the best-in-class CCPM adjustments not seen on any other radio, up to six dual/triple rates setup using custom 17-point curves, multiple throttle-hold capabilities, superb gyro and governor control with real-time fine-tuning capabilities, multiple programmable mixes (limited only by what your imagination can come up with), dual processors with actual Tx control isolated from the user-interface portion, and much more. To top things off, the radio provides the simplest and cleanest update capability in existence. And yes, faster frame rate. Double the resolution of ANY other radio system out today!
And this might help get you more answers: http://www.rcfan.com/radios.html

After that, if you still have questions, you can get official answers at:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_125/tt.htm

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10-29-2006 02:31 PM  11 years agoPost 88
da_man

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Central NC

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I also used the 10x many years and really liked it, but a while ago I wasn't able to program my stratus the way I wanted. I haven't programmed and flown any helicopter with my 14mz since flying season is over for me until may 07. I am hoping that I can be able to program my stratus the way I want with this transmitter. I guess the features I like from the radio are touchscreen, mp3 player, programmable synth module and airplane programming. Right now I didn't see g3 pcm as an upgrade, so I am still using my 1024 pcm rx's. The prgrammable frequency change was cool.

I am not sure how the programming of the 12z works, but if its the same then, both are pretty good tx's. I had the money at the time so I went with the one I want, dont think there is any shame with that.

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10-29-2006 03:58 PM  11 years agoPost 89
AirWolfRC

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RCfan,
Either way, you probably should stop emabarrasing yourself
As I said earlier, you tend to accuse others of what you are pushing yourself. Where do you get off implying that I'm embarassing myself ? I consider that more your own personal fear.

And then you refuse to answer real, practical, tangible questions where you can show substance to your choice and conviction. All you come up with is "do a search"

That realy says volumes. Why is it so difficult for you to stand up for your point ? Why do you have to resort to cutting down the other side by things like infering embarassment or accusing another of being a troll ? Also, I wouldn't be able to turn your words around if you would learn to express yourself clearly.

Things wouldn't get this way if you could learn to stay on point.

Wolfgang

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10-29-2006 04:01 PM  11 years agoPost 90
AirWolfRC

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I also used the 10x many years and really liked it, but a while ago I wasn't able to program my stratus the way I wanted. I haven't programmed and flown any helicopter with my 14mz since flying season is over for me until may 07. I am hoping that I can be able to program my stratus the way I want with this transmitter.
What exactly is it that you couldn't get from the 10X that you hope to get from the 14Z ?

Wolfgang

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10-29-2006 06:14 PM  11 years agoPost 91
Dr.Ben

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Richmond, VA, USA

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Right now, the follwing is a list of what I'm actively using on my 14MZ for F3C competition:

Four flight conditions PLUS hover and hold. That alone wipes out multiple radio choices out there. Each flight condition has specific and unique rates and expo for each function.

I'm using a MIMIMUM of 2 but up to 4 pmixes per condition, and often those mixes are UNIQUE to each flight condition. Try that with a 10X.

eCCPM software. Nothing will touch it except that which is in a 12Z and to some extent a Stylus.

Servo pacing which slows the speed at which the servo moves away from center. Why the hell do you need that??? Because today's servo are so strong and so quick, if you're trying to do a precision FAI roll, you can cause a corkscrew simply with too rapid a stick input. The pacing function keeps my roll entries perfectly consistent. Is this frivolous bling?. NOT after you've used it.

Governor software. Others have some of it. NONE will touch the flexibility of the 12Z/MZ.

Gyro software. Same as for governor software. Uniquely and specifically adjustable for each and every flight condition.

2048/G3. I'm sorry. If you've not flown this, you just can't comment. It makes even 1024 feel slow as mud.

There are features and capabilities in this radio some many will never use. And that is not bad. I'll always prefer to have a little more than I need than to wish for more and/or otherwise not be able to make a model fly exactly as I wish.

Ben Minor

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10-29-2006 06:25 PM  11 years agoPost 92
spruce

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toledo, oh

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point. set. match.


No other radio will come close to the 14mz/12z

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10-29-2006 06:48 PM  11 years agoPost 93
RCfan

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Longwood, FL USA

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As I said earlier, you tend to accuse others of what you are pushing yourself. Where do you get off implying that I'm embarassing myself ? I consider that more your own personal fear.

And then you refuse to answer real, practical, tangible questions where you can show substance to your choice and conviction. All you come up with is "do a search"

That realy says volumes. Why is it so difficult for you to stand up for your point ?
There you go again embarrassing yourself by replying but providing zero facts to back your self-proclaimed engineering experience. I've already answered all questions presented with facts and not opinions (which is what the two of you want to get since you can then easily try to refute them with lies and innuendos). If I believed your intentions in asking such questions were legitimate and sincere, I would have no trouble providing you with my opinions on the subject. Instead I preferred to present you with just the FACTS, which you can try to make into a negative with your diatribe, but in the end they're just facts and you'll always lose.

In addition, this is now the third time I've directed a question at you about your motives for replying to posts about these radios and you've chosen to ignore it. Not even to say that you refuse to answer for fear of incriminating yourself or giving folks in this thread the truth why you hate these radios.

You have all the facts, links to the manuals and official site, so if you have any further questions about these radios, feel free to talk to them. Don't bother replying anymore until you've proven you've actually taken the necessary steps to at least attempt to learn something about the 14MZ / 12Z radios.

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10-29-2006 06:59 PM  11 years agoPost 94
AirWolfRC

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This thread was on track for a bit there.
BUT RCfan had to screw it up.
Some people never learn.

This is what I call embarassing one's self.
You just made my point.

Wolfgang

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10-29-2006 07:12 PM  11 years agoPost 95
spruce

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toledo, oh

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the only one getting this thread off track is you ! Go play somewhere else .

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10-29-2006 07:14 PM  11 years agoPost 96
AirWolfRC

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When/if you learn to keep your emotions out of technical discussions, even you can keep it on track. You also make my point.

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10-29-2006 07:23 PM  11 years agoPost 97
RCfan

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Longwood, FL USA

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This thread was on track for a bit there.
It was on track right up to the point you and mini-Wolfgang decided to change the topic and start one of your bashing threads. You want to get back on track, then please go play with your imaginary engineering buddies.

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10-29-2006 08:21 PM  11 years agoPost 98
RCfan

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Finally we can get back on track ...

flaming blades, are you still around?

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10-29-2006 08:46 PM  11 years agoPost 99
turboomni

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East of the Equator

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Thanks Dr Ben,

Finally an owner with a real opinion on the new things this radio has to offer that Helps Them fly their heli better. Servo pacing sounds interesting. Is this feature generally used only for digital servos?
In that I don't compete in F3C what do you change in each flight mode
for what conditions? I could see that these features you use would be a help in competition in different weather conditions.
Many thanks for your opinion.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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10-29-2006 09:03 PM  11 years agoPost 100
AirWolfRC

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I will go furhter and say Dr Ben's comments were more than opinion, they were clear facts . . . . from an adult.

I would like to hear more such input.

Wolfgang

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