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10-26-2006 11:20 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Droid

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Any news??

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10-27-2006 12:16 AM  12 years agoPost 2
P.J.

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Droid,

as Minature aircraft says: 2 weeks

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10-27-2006 12:16 AM  12 years agoPost 3
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Is that similar to an aurora 2 weeks??

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10-27-2006 12:27 AM  12 years agoPost 4
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I here the aurora is decades away

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10-27-2006 12:31 AM  12 years agoPost 5
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Thats because i pre-ordered one. Augusto is trying to get it right first time

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10-27-2006 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 6
ehn

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Droid: Augusto is trying to get it right first time

Heaven help him if it isn't perfect! A heli company would be smart to pay you to buy the competitor's heli and go on RR!!!

Long Island Eric

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10-27-2006 04:39 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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I'm here for me, myself and I.

"Maybe Augusto is trying to get it right first time"

I meant that exactly as i said it, hes seen the n9 forum and is making damn sure he doesn't replicate the b@lls up that is synergy rc. Most people have had something bad to say about it and SRC have had their chances to make things right, have they??

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10-27-2006 05:37 PM  12 years agoPost 8
TYREE

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Droid...your too late.....
He's already replicated it without ever bringing his new heli to market...He can't seem to communicate, in a way his potential customers can understand, when the darn thing is going to be released amongst other things like ....'toy heli pilots' etc. etc.

I think he needs to take a few dance lessons before he waltz's with his public...

Ty

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10-27-2006 05:46 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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No matter how hard Augusto trys to get the Aurora perfect, someone will find problems, He had no intention in releasing the model at 3D Masters that was just to burst JK & TB bubble, how could he release a model that never was in the air, there was no testing done at that stage.
A birdy told me it could be another 4 months away from release, I wish him all the best with the Aurora and will enjoy getting a flight in one but as far as I'm concerned the Synergy is a solid machine and will be hard to beat.

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10-27-2006 06:20 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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what augusto done was purely business ethics, like it or not. it worked aswell, i bet quite a few cancelled the synergy for it.

do not be drawn into the aurora will have no probs, i know now it has some in current guise and i'm sure is being worked on before release.

wether it's loose balls, bad collets, a crap parts manual, the only way to find them is to release it to the masses. the concept models are all built to better specs and better machined, thats fact. in saying that i'm sure augusto has learned from previous ventures that jk/todd didn't have the benefit of.

one thing i do wish is they both (synergy and augusto) choose what they say and do more carefully, i do not like the idea of flying raptors and crashing trucks into them in a busy street, nor do i like augusto implying this is a toy. it takes only one idiot to grab that mentallity and our hobby has a casualty on it's hands with someone flying their "toy" in the park.

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10-27-2006 08:51 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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Droid: I'm here for me, myself and I.

Truer words were never spoken...

Long Island Eric

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10-27-2006 08:58 PM  12 years agoPost 12
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raptorheli2: what augusto done was purely business ethics

IF he did what you're implying, that's business tactics, not ethics. It's not ethical to lie to get business, or hurt another business (although Microsoft may disagree!). If I were a potential customer who has been put off from getting a new heli for a long time due to misrepresentation, I would be quite upset. And I'd be concerned that a company that would do that couldn't be trusted. Please note I said "IF". I have no way of knowing if Augusto deliberately did anything.

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10-27-2006 09:46 PM  12 years agoPost 13
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Eric.....
would you be just as concerned if the same thing happened due to sloppy internal business procedures ?

Just curious,

Ty

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10-27-2006 09:54 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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TYREE: would you be just as concerned if the same thing happened due to sloppy internal business procedures ?

Not quite sure what you mean. What is "the same thing", and what are the "sloppy internal business procedures"?

I'm not a blind defender of Synergy - there's things I disagree with, but please be more specific.

Long Island Eric

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10-27-2006 10:22 PM  12 years agoPost 15
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Hey Eric.....
sorry....let me try to be a little more clear....see part of one of your previous posts below:

[If I were a potential customer who has been put off from getting a new heli for a long time due to misrepresentation, I would be quite upset. And I'd be concerned that a company that would do that couldn't be trusted.]

My question is would you be just as concerned if you were a potential customer who has been put off from getting a new heli for a long time due to sloppy internal business procedures around public communications.
So, not a premeditated misrepresentation but a misrepresentation that was caused by confusion/sloopy internal procedures around public communications etc. etc.

I am not talking about any particular company

Ty

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10-27-2006 11:52 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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I think it was anounced only to stop people buying Synergy for sure and the other thing that people seamto be looking over is the INTRODUCTORY price. I mean the EFX conversion kit and the programable head cost $970 on its own and you need a lot more then that to make a complete heli and I dont think that $15 is going to cover it.

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10-28-2006 01:20 AM  12 years agoPost 17
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I cancelled my Synergy, and My Aurora is sweet!


Later fellas,
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10-28-2006 01:24 AM  12 years agoPost 18
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TYREE:

"My question is would you be just as concerned if you were a potential customer who has been put off from getting a new heli for a long time due to sloppy internal business procedures around public communications.
So, not a premeditated misrepresentation but a misrepresentation that was caused by confusion/sloopy internal procedures around public communications etc. etc."


Well they are both concerning, and if they caused a similar delay I guess one could say the damage is the same. However, I believe premeditated is far worse because of intent to deceive.

"I am not talking about any particular company "

Well, I will comment further about a specific company, Synergy RC. Let me say up-front that I am friends with both TB & JK. I currently fly mostly Miniature, I like MA, and I like Tim Schoonard. I think they are all good people. The current manufacturing problems could happen to anyone, but they have also been under tremendous pressure to get the heli out. If they had already had a few models produced, like some of the bigger companies, they would have already solved almost all of the manufactuing problems and shortage of spare parts. I believe it's a tremendous accomplishment that they have a heli out on the market, even with occasional warts. Maybe my friendship makes me more tolerant, hard to say.

I jumped the gun a few months ago and was very critical of the Aurora announcement. Augusto PM'd me, and was very gracious, and I apologized. However, I will say the timing of things makes one suspicious, and, if there was intentional deception, I find that very disturbing.

I believe the best advice it to try to fly whatever machine you're considering and then make your decision. It should be kept in mind that the Synergy N9 is a high end 3D machine, not an intro model, not for the faint of heart. Maybe they will come out with a 50 size or an FAI, but this is a full out 3D machine.

Lastly I would like to say that the venom, bile, and vitriole which some RR people use is hard to take. Such bitterness and extremism is not productive. I've quit reading at times due to this. Sometimes people respond like someone has intentionally tried to steal $1,000, rather than develop and market a great 3D heli that is their passion. These people are doing a great disservice to this great RR board, to the individuals/companies it's directed at, and to the heli community in general with their poison pens (keyboards). They are very brave hiding behind their moniters while they skewer decent honest people. Some of you know who you are - most of us know who you and the others who can't see themselves are also ...

(now getting off my soapbox)

Long Island Eric

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10-28-2006 01:50 AM  12 years agoPost 19
raptorheli2

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call it what you like, was a sneaky move. worked nicely i would say.

now on the actual post, does anyone know when this canopy is due?

cheers


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10-28-2006 03:33 AM  12 years agoPost 20
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Eric ...I understand.... (I wish I new something about the timing on the canopy !)
and share ... to a certain extent, your feelings about pervasive dagger throwing etc. To keep it real short, I do beieve that discussing emotionaly charged/etc. type issues isn't always the most productive thing that can happen in a larger diverse group. Howvever, I do believe in discussing any topic controversial or not for certain reasons such as giving relevant opion and sometimes to broaden the perspective on a topic for the less experienced...etc. To me it's a little sad to see so many folks mistakenly mis-identify, what amounts to a little intellectual sparing, for some 'emotionally charged' battle field. I am still not
sure what that's all about.

The rest of your stated concepts/ideas ... I found interesting...and without any real adversity. I also was PM's after posting an observation about some of the Aurora's visual design elements/lines looking similar to the Synergy N9....

Finally...after publically questioning the release date issue after reading about it in Rotor World...I was asked politely not to post anymore on the 'Avant' forum. I guess killing the messenger is still popular in the 21st century...go figure

Thanks for expressing your views on a broad number of topics.

Ty

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