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10-26-2006 06:35 PM  12 years ago
COOKIEULT70

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Century needs to release this themselves. Hawk Pro .50 Would be pretty cool. And a Hawk Pro 30 SE with all the new metal head parts. Oh and bring back the carbon side frame plates!GAHH!!! Someone call 911!! My wallet is bleading heli parts!!
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10-26-2006 06:45 PM  12 years ago
Gearhead

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Century did have a Hawk SEv2 at one time $330..

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10-26-2006 11:15 PM  12 years ago
genovia

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That looks like a Helimax Kinetic .50 copter.
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10-27-2006 01:39 AM  12 years ago
workerant

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Call me dumb, but summarize the diff between the Falcon and Hawk. Century feature list wasn't much help. I know there is the autorotation gear, and stronger landing gear. Is it just a few upgrades? I remember the Hawk Pro could actually fit a .50 sized motor... Needed a different engine mount or something?Raptor 90, Raptor 50
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10-27-2006 03:03 AM  12 years ago
SteveH

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Basically speaking and without doing lots of typing, the Falcon SE is exactly like the Raven, but with the mCCPM control system of the Hawk.The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.
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10-27-2006 03:55 AM  12 years ago
Ray Fernandez

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I remember the Hawk Pro could actually fit a .50 sized motor... Needed a different engine mount or something?
the lower frames as well as the 50 engine mount was actually all you needed to convert the Hawk 30. Concerns about the replacing of the tail boom and blades were something discussed several year ago here on RunRyder.
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10-27-2006 04:04 AM  12 years ago
oldfart

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Workerant,

1 - The Rotor head is different:

The Falcon/Raven has a rotor head with a machined metal rotor hub with a jesus bolt and that also clamps to the mainshaftshaft - a smaller copy of that used on the Predator. The Hawk uses a molded GRP hub with just a jesus bolt

They use a 6mm spindle with thrust bearings, rather then a 5mm unit without.

2 - They have a different Seesaw arrangement:

The Falcon/Raven has the pivot bearings in the Seesaw while the Hawk has them in the seat of the GRP rotor hub

3 - Different Flyabar system:

The Falcon/Raven has a 4mm flybar controlled by the same heavy duty flybar control yoke as the 90 size Predator. The Hawk has a 3mm flybar with seperate flybar control arms.

4 - Different Auto-Rotation system:

The Falcon/Raven have a driven tail auto system, the Hawk has a standard non-driven tail auto system.

5 - They have a different shaft drive system for the tail rotor:

The Raven/Falcon system is longer of course but also has the same dual dogbone system as the Predator. The Hawk Pro Shaft only has a dogbone at one end.

6 - They have a different tail rotor.

The Falcon/Raven uses the same tail rotor as the Predator which has two radial bearings and a thrust bearing in each blade grip. These are attached to a machined steel hub that has integrated shafts and the blade grips are secured by lock nuts (Just like those in top 90's)

7 - They have different swashplates:

The Raven/Falcon use the same all metal swashplate as the Predator. The Hawk uses a lesser type of swashplate similar to those used in the Hirobo Evo series - using a metal inner star and a GRP outer star.

8 - They come with different types of rotor blades:

The Raven/Falcon come with 600mm Carbob/Fiber & fiberglass composite mainblades while the Hawk Pro comes with 550mm wooden ones.

9 - As you mentioned they also have a different landing gear (from the Predator) that is wider and stronger.

So as you can see, most all of the major systems are different - Rotor Head, seesaw, Flybar, swashplate, auto system, tail drive system, tail rotor, mainblades and landing gear - so they are really very different helicopters.

I think the main reason that most people think they are much the same is because they all use the same canopy, so that when looking at them, most will think they are much the same. But under and around that canopy, there is a BIG difference between the Hawk Pro and either the Raven or the Falcon SE.

So this makes them also very different from the Helimax Kinetic 50, which seem to be more of a Hawk 50.
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10-27-2006 04:27 AM  12 years ago
Buzzin Brian

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Everything oldfart said is 100% true, and I agree with him 100%. I own both a Raven 50 and a Hawk Pro, and indeed they are VERY different. And I to think the Kinetic 50 looks more like a Hawk Pro converted to a 50 without going the full length to make it a Falcon 50. Hence the price. But I could be wrong.Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
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10-27-2006 06:03 PM  12 years ago
Syclic

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Looking at the pictures, it is obviously a "Hawk 50" as of all the features oldfart listed from the Falcon/Raven, the Kinetic 50 does NOT have:

1 - Composite mainblades
2 - Falcon/Raven rotor head
3 - Falcon/Raven/Predator 4mm heavy duty flybar system
4 - Falcon/Raven/Predator full metal swashplate
5 - Falcon/Raven/Predator tail rotor
6 - Constant tail drive system

I remember reading on a forum somewhere, that Tower is planning to sell it for $279.00 or $299.00 (can't remember). But considering the Raven 50 is just $369.95, then just getting the Composite mainblades and the metal swashplate with the Raven is worth the extra money. And IMHO, I think any 50 should have a 4mm flybar system and metal head blloke in order to take the power of a 50 Hyper engine.

But it does look to be an easy way to get a "HAWK 50" if one wants a "budget" rocket.
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10-28-2006 06:54 AM  12 years ago
workerant

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Wholy buckets! I didn't realized there were that many differences between the Hawk and Falcon. Is the collective linkage the same as on the Hawk? I just thought it was an extended boom, new engine mount and Bob's your uncle. Thanks for the clearification.Raptor 90, Raptor 50
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10-28-2006 02:58 PM  12 years ago
Ts8103

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Copies are never as good as the originals
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10-31-2006 02:25 AM  12 years ago
oldfart

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Workerant

Don't feel too bad.

Most everyone that I run into at the many events I attend each year are like you - they seem to think because the Rappy 50 is basically a stretched Rappy 30 and the Sceado 50 is basically a stretched Sceado 30, and the Kyosho Caliber 50 is basically their stretched Caliber 30, and the JR Venture 50 is basically a stretched Venture 30, then logically the Falcon 50 or Raven 50 must just be a stretched Hawk. Even having a different name does not seem to have change that perception. And that is probably because they all used the same canopy.

But as soon as one gets to see them side by side, and is shown all the differences, then they realize that the Century 50's are more like smaller Predators then bigger Hawks.

I found that TSK was much the same. Their MyStar 46 was a far different heli then their Mystar 30. It was more a smaller Mystar 60 then a bigger Mystar 30. But few realized it.

I really think that Century should have spent more effort demonstrating these 50's at events like IRCHA, Mayday, Fall Fest, Toledo and other major events. In doing so they would have been able to make the R/C heli-community more aware of the value in these two 50 size helis.
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11-04-2006 10:14 PM  12 years ago
catzazz

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"Yikes" If I ever see one of those Heli-Max Kinetic 50's at my field I am going to hide in the club house...

A 50 size helicopter with a full plastic head, and no anti rotation bracket, and a tail hub similar to a hawk pro, would seem to me after a few hard core 3D flights this would be ready to explode,

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11-05-2006 05:44 PM  12 years ago
J Kofoed

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Where can I by a fuel tank for Heli-Max Kinetic 50.
I am going to use that larger tank for my Raven.
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11-05-2006 09:33 PM  12 years ago
SteveH

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A 50 size helicopter with a full plastic head, and no anti rotation bracket, and a tail hub similar to a hawk pro, would seem to me after a few hard core 3D flights this would be ready to explode,
Sounds just like one of Century's other competetor's 50 size standard machines.
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11-05-2006 09:41 PM  12 years ago
Gearhead

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A 50 size helicopter with a full plastic head, and no anti rotation bracket, and a tail hub similar to a hawk pro, would seem to me after a few hard core 3D flights this would be ready to explode,
after 40 gallons maybe,,
http://runryder.com/t141782p1/?highlight=40+gallons

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11-09-2006 10:11 PM  12 years ago
rcsoar4fun

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There are some better pics in the ad for this is RC Heli magazine. No more doubt about it, its a 50 sized hawk.I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.
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11-09-2006 10:15 PM  12 years ago
jackheli

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Does anybody have the part number for the new fuel tank? how big is it?It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.
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11-09-2006 10:25 PM  12 years ago
MidStar40

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I thought it looked identical to the Century .50 scale mechanics from the Airwolf. They have some good shots of it in that same RC Heli mag this month.
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11-09-2006 10:27 PM  12 years ago
rcsoar4fun

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Fuel tank

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXPLK4&P=7
I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.
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