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10-25-2006 07:09 PM  12 years agoPost 1
red_z06

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Ok this may give Justin's critics more ammunition. However, I feel you guys should see both good and bad.

It is on the other HF site but if you guys want it, I'll post the video here.

So, who wants to see it?

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 07:11 PM  12 years agoPost 2
nojohnny101

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hey
i do....would like to see his reaction....probably a very mature from what i've seen


Thanks
~Will~

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10-25-2006 07:47 PM  12 years agoPost 3
broncoholic

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10-25-2006 08:03 PM  12 years agoPost 4
red_z06

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Yes we are responsible. The question is "Am I REALLY blaming Bobby?" If you can't figure that out, well.....

Anyway, prior to seeing Bobby's video (BTW, Justin has not seen that video) we are 50/50 on PCM Lockout. Fortunately to support that theory, 2 excellent pilots at my field did tailslide into the ground exact same way in exact same spot prior to that.

There is zero attemp to even pull out.

Anyway, I do not care if he crashes as long as it is in safe zone. He has yet to even come close to the safe zone boundary in all his flying. Can't exactly say that for others as I have real tough time explaning why the other guy did the dangerous thing by flying past the flight line.

broncholic:

How would you answer him if he asks you why your club member flew over the pit area? Please don't tell me none of your club members ever fly over or near pit area. He can't understand why people would to a dangerous thing like that as he has NEVER done that.

BTW, please do not treat him as most 4 year old. His science class in Gifted Child Society Program teaches things most of us do not encounter until well into elementary school if not until junior high school.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 08:03 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Havoc

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A sense of humor is rare around here. I blame all my crashes on Bobby Watts.

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10-25-2006 08:11 PM  12 years agoPost 6
red_z06

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Let see if the link can be posted here.

http://www.heli_freak.com/viewtopic.php?t=22488

Click the link and it will fail.
Take out the _ from the link to make it work.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 08:19 PM  12 years agoPost 7
SubSailor

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BTW, please do not treat him as most 4 year old
It's great that your 4 yr old can fly a RC heli but he IS still a four year old child. I'm not trying to sound rude or anything so please don't take it that way but I don't see why he shouldn't be treated as most other 4 yr olds. My son is in all "gifted and talented" classes and has an IQ that I won't even mention(and if he didn't look/act exactly like me I would have some serious questions for the Wife!!) but he is still a child. Still, your boy can fly and is probably going to spank some serious butt later in life!

John

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10-25-2006 08:28 PM  12 years agoPost 8
red_z06

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subsailer:

It did not sound rude at all
Yes he is very much like any other 4 year old in many ways. Although his flying skills in airplane and helis are self taught, I drilled into him (most vigorously) danger of leaving the safe zone since the age of 2. It is often I that gets yelled by him for being dangerous. I sweat everytime I have to explain why a person would leave safe zone or approach pit area.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 09:22 PM  12 years agoPost 9
broncoholic

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10-25-2006 09:30 PM  12 years agoPost 10
flybarless

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ok, and a lock out, "it was a Watts" damn that will solve so many problems.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.

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10-25-2006 09:33 PM  12 years agoPost 11
JuanRodriguez

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bronco...,
Nothing against you or your son. I am sure he is a great kid. But a 4 year old should not be flying these machines.
While that is your opinion and I respect that, I wholeheartedly DO NOT agree with it.....Who is to determine the "right age" ??? You ?? Me ?? There is nothing in the AMA that prohibits youngsters from participating in the hobby as long as they are well supervised.

I wonder where Tiger Woods would be today if he was told by some naysayer not to play golf at the early age he began to do so.....just because golf is dangerous and he can injure someone with an errant golf shot....

I think that it is the parents responsibility to determine whether or not his child is capable of performing a task.....sounds to me like dad is doing a good job at monitoring the situation and accepts that he has full responsibility for whatever happens...

It also looks like to me (from watching the video) that Justin is a much safer pilot than many "grownups" I have seen locally and at the various events I have attended.....

Just another opinion...... right, wrong or indifferent....

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10-25-2006 09:42 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Havoc

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...let's just call crashing..."The Bobby Watts"
And another tedious thread is created. I think he meant the joke to be the kid was trying to imitate a maneuver Bobby Watts did successfully and failed resulting in the crash. So the joke was he blamed him for it. If you try something someone else did and you fail then Man Law dictates that you can blame that person for your failure because if not for them you would not have tried it. Not that it does you any good.

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10-25-2006 09:45 PM  12 years agoPost 13
wing destroyer

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Holy crap, who cares if some kid crashed?? I crashed one time, I barely even care about that! Jesus.

West Valley Heli Club

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10-25-2006 09:55 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Havoc

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So far we are laughing..please keep us amused!
But your criteria for being amused is so low that this post would last for eternity? I could start dropping fart jokes and you would explode.

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10-25-2006 10:11 PM  12 years agoPost 15
JimmyC

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After watching the video. It looks like he did his piro at the top of the tail slide and tried to put in some aileron moves on the way down and ran out of time.

JimmyC

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10-25-2006 10:12 PM  12 years agoPost 16
red_z06

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It would have been much funnier if you had not explained the joke and see how many of Bobby's fans jump up and down for disgracing Bobby's name.

Now for serious analysis part;

This is 3rd tail slide straight to the ground crash at my field. They are all within 1-2months and crash spot being inside of 20ft radius. Two formers were by well experienced pilots and claiming PCM Lockout.

Justin will not say. Too sad from his beloved Raptor 50 re-kitted.
I have watched his every move on the sim and in field flying. There was simply zero effort shown to pull out. This and above 2 crashs lead me to believe it was a lockout. That is until I saw the video of Bobby's crasy . Justin has not seen that video yet.

What do you guys think? Take a closer look at the tailslide dive.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 10:14 PM  12 years agoPost 17
red_z06

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After watching the video. It looks like he did his piro at the top of the tail slide and tried to put in some aileron moves on the way down and ran out of time.

JimmyC
I have yet to see him mix another move on top of tailslide so I'll have to say no to that analysis. I can make this assumtion because I have yet to see him perform a move that he has not done dozen times on the sim.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 10:17 PM  12 years agoPost 18
JimmyC

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Watch the video close and you will see aileron inputs before the crash. I don't know if it was his input or from another source. Also you'll hear it.

JimmyC

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10-25-2006 10:22 PM  12 years agoPost 19
red_z06

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Here is a slomo done by DebianDog

http://www.heli_freak.com/download.php?id=13009


Again, click on the link. When it fails, just remove _ and enter

www.JustinJee.com

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10-25-2006 10:23 PM  12 years agoPost 20
Eury

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I was just wondering who Justin is. Jesus, you make a post like everyone should know Justin like we all know who Curtis is.

Nick Crego

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