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04-01-2012 11:29 PM  7 years ago
NiCad

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hi NiCad, when we going to see you machines flying. would like to see them go !
When I can get moar $$$ to get a decent aircraft.
My KingII hot rod ain't exactly in a flyable condition anymore, & it's gettin' hard to get parts for the machine.

I'm lookin' around once again for a new heli (Hopefully something decent this time).

Here are a couple things I already have in mind:

http://www.helipal.com/storm-450-gl...er-edition.html

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http://www.align.com.tw/shop/produc...roducts_id=2725

IDK if the first one's any good, but I've heard good things about the Align 450 Pro. Only thing I don't like about it is the torque tube, but I can convert it to a belt-drive with no problem.
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04-02-2012 02:42 AM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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@nicad Atom 500 + stretch kit. Search complete.Ian | 7HV ULT | Rave Ballistic FSO | Warp 360 | DX9
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04-02-2012 08:01 AM  7 years ago
jdvuyk

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Only thing I don't like about it is the torque tube, but I can convert it to a belt-drive with no problem.
Why on earth would you want to do that? just buy the thing and fly it. parts are cheap and they fly really good. Dont buy the first one, its pretty dated technology now.
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04-02-2012 09:45 PM  7 years ago
NiCad

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jdvuyk: I guess, I like the belt-drive because of it's simplicity & plus I don't have to replace the damn thing every time I crash. (Yea, I still can't bring the heli down in one piece, but that's becomin' less frequent, yet still occurs.)

I wasn't too sure about that Storm 450 because it's only from one supplier, so I can now cross that off my list for potential aircraft .
Magnazan: I'll look into that Atom 500, I think I've seen a couple of those down here in Welington.
I also know you guys seem to talk alot about the 6HV & 7HV helis, so I'll look into those too, & I'll holler back here if I find anything that's of a particular interest.

Edit: Hey guys, look who I found on the Compass Model's front page: http://compassmodel.de/welcome-at-compass/ Raynman, is that you? Congratulations, well done.
BTW, Hobby Hangar have got a good price for the Atom 500, & Yea I was right; I have seen them before & I must admit (Although I can't always tell if it's the heli or the pilot) That they fly really smooth, even more so in windy conditions, so that's a big plus for me .

Still researchin' the 6HV & 7HV
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04-03-2012 01:17 AM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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If you're on a budget get the Atom + Stretch or an Align 550. Both fly close enough to 600 size without the parts/battery costs.Ian | 7HV ULT | Rave Ballistic FSO | Warp 360 | DX9
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04-03-2012 01:46 AM  7 years ago
NiCad

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Yea, it looks like a Compass Atom 500 might be the one to get. I was also lookin' at how much the spare-parts go for & seem to average on $40.00-$50.00 ◄--Which ain't too bad considerin' spare parts for my KingII were around $30.00, so I can withstand payin' an extra $20.00 for spare parts.

Also I'm crashing less, so repairs may be less expensive too; & a larger heli will mean it'll be more stable (Not implyin' my KingII ain't stable). IDK it all depends on how I set the heli up too.

I guess if I set the collective to 0º@mid-stick with a pitch range of say ±15º & about 5g on the flybar weights, I should be fine.

BTW; Another good reason to get an Atom 500: It's made in Germany!
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04-03-2012 04:14 AM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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You won't need 15deg of pitch. Also by the time you get a receiver/gyro you may as well get a Flybarless unit. Much easier to setup also.Ian | 7HV ULT | Rave Ballistic FSO | Warp 360 | DX9
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04-03-2012 04:42 AM  7 years ago
raynman

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Raynman, is that you? Congratulations, well done.
Nope thats not me.
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04-03-2012 04:48 AM  7 years ago
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NiCad,

There is a new T-Rex 450 due out soon, it is an RTF, comes with a Futaba transmitter a battery and charger for around $749.00NZD
That could be a good option.

We do have a used 450 pro for $500 with two batteries so plenty of options but what ever you do don't go buying some odd ball heap of crap that will fly like $hit and be hard to get parts for.
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04-03-2012 07:07 AM  7 years ago
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Nicad

You only need -3 to +8 degrees in hover mode with +2 at mid stick you don't need 15 degrees that will just cause you to crash or boom strike when you land to hard. You should give some thought to what gear you Want to use long term, there is futaba,jr, spectrum etc. as this will effect what you buy later. Don't worry to much about keeping up with the jones,s going flybarless is nice but not necessary and won't save you money. most need a receiver or satellites to work anyway and you can pick up gyros cheap now. Going flybarless also means you should put better servos in because of the centering and torque needed, with a flybar you can get away with a lot more and save some money. I would recommend a 500 size model as they fly more stable and you can see them better at distance, the atom 500 is not the best to orientate due the canopy being so round also flight times are not great, it's more of a performance heli than a potter around heli, it's a great heli for someone with a little more experience, the trex 500 you can fly with a slow head speed and change the head rubbers to softer ones to make it fly well on a slow head speed also there is more room in the canopy to put a bigger battery for longer flight times which you can't do with the Atom. Gaui have a couple of great helis also that might be worth looking into and they are now imported into nz. Don't forget some of the newer models need two batteries as they are a higher voltage which means you need to charge them at the field with a duel charger or 2 chargers or have have more batteries which can be expensive. As you get better and have more funds you can always progress to these models. Hobby hangar have some great seconds pop up keep an eye out there.
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04-03-2012 09:28 AM  7 years ago
jdvuyk

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nicad.
For what its worth, the Atom 500 is a really good option. I have had one for 2 years, beaten the cr@p out of it and it still flys well. Its been crashes and is VERY resilient. I found the align 500 is just desperate to destroy itself where the atom holds up well. It has a really large boom which *helps* in orientation training. Id seriously recommend doing it flybarless though, a lot less moving parts to break/bend/adjust/worry about. but FB is still ok. you dont need the stretch kit, its very much an optional extra. Sorry Ian. :-)

But footy is right. don't get some odd-ball pile-o-junk. get something name brand with support in NZ.
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04-03-2012 10:04 AM  7 years ago
u1ago

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New heli for Nicad
Hi Nicad i don't want to confuse you or throw a spanner in the works but have you thought of a gaui x5 I have had a atom and I have had a x5 for some time now and the parts are extremely cheep and it flys really well I would look into it before your spend your cash.
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04-03-2012 09:29 PM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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The Atom is great - built like a tank, tons of power but I'd probably still recommend the Trex 500. Mainly because you can reduce the headspeed for learning (Atom gets wobbles when it's not high enough) as well as the parts being cheap and available EVERYWHERE. The other plus with the Align stuff is that the combos are very well priced.

Some other considerations no one else seems to have touched on. What do people fly at your field/area? It helps to get similar when starting out, for support/tips etc. Also with 500 class helis you will need to invest in a half decent charger and power supply.
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04-04-2012 01:37 AM  7 years ago
NiCad

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Wow, thanks for your support guys, I really appreciate it. You've given me a nice array of options I can look into:
- Compass Atom 500
- As above, but flybarless version (Probably not for me at this stage.)
- Align 500
- Gaui X5 (I've heard of Gaui, seems a little on the expensive side.)

Here's what I've seen the guys down here in Welly-Wood fly:
- Align 500
- Align 700
- Kyosho Caliber 4 & 700 (TSKG2 flies these machines)
- Thunder Tiger Raptor .30 (Quite a nice array of these birds, but I'm steerin' clear of nitro helis)
- Any of the Compass helis

I have plans to equip my chosen aircraft with Futaba radio gear & a Scorpion® motor/ESC. Not too sure on the gyro & servos yet, I'm kinda in a toss-up between Savöx, Futaba & Align for servos & anything of Futaba for gyros. However, the GY401 is a good all-round gyro, but I think it's a bit dated by today's standards.

As far as mechanics go, I'll stick with the flybar at this stage.
But footy is right. don't get some odd-ball pile-o-junk. get something name brand with support in NZ.
I already made that mistake with my KingII. Ain't gonna happen again, that's for sure.
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04-04-2012 06:36 AM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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Get the Align 500 super combo (Flybarred). You don't need to f*ck round with different motors/escs or servos. Buy the kit add receiver and batts then fly. When you can outfly it in stock form then change the gear out.Ian | 7HV ULT | Rave Ballistic FSO | Warp 360 | DX9
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04-04-2012 08:59 AM  7 years ago
jdvuyk

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Ian has some good advice here. The reality is the learning with an Align 500 is a very well beaten path. Countless people have owned (and learned on) them. they are cheap, parts are plentiful and its overall a very safe choice. There is endless info about them to read as well.

In your case, I don't think you should look at anything else.
Good luck.
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04-04-2012 10:19 AM  7 years ago
DragnHart

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I have had one for 2 years, beaten the cr@p out of it and it still flys well
Yep J, you sure have!

Nicad - All things considered, I agree with the 500 size being the best option for you
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04-05-2012 03:52 AM  7 years ago
NiCad

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Thanks guys, I did look at the Align 500, & Yea, they're EVERYWHERE! Which means that support for it would be readily available; which works well in my favor.Life is what you make of it. No exceptions.
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04-05-2012 08:26 AM  7 years ago
Magnazan

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Had a successful maiden of the 6hv tonight. Feels heavy compared to the Atom but lots of power!

New batteries arrived so have a full set for the atom and the 6hv weeeee.
Ian | 7HV ULT | Rave Ballistic FSO | Warp 360 | DX9
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04-06-2012 01:28 AM  7 years ago
krcnz

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Tauranga - New Zealand

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Hello All

The Heli SIG is having another competition event. We are being hosted by JR Airsail at their field in Pukekawa.

Check out the following links for info if interested:

http://www.rcpilot.com/event_details.cfm?event_id=770
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http://www.modelflyingnz.org/helicopter - look under info
&
http://www.facebook.com/helisignz

Regards
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