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09-11-2006 06:52 AM  14 years ago
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willie evans

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TREX 600 review !
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09-11-2006 03:48 PM  14 years ago
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Great review there Willie. I am presently researching this market as well and would like to know what you felt in regards to flight characteristic of the three models?
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09-11-2006 05:10 PM  14 years ago
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What's your all up weight Willie ?
How does it compare to Shawn's logo 14s for flight characteristics (more/less stable, faster/slower roll rate, etc.) ?

I'm still can't decide between a 10s rex 600 or the logo 14.

The logo is proven, but you can get shiny stuff for the 600

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09-12-2006 05:52 AM  14 years ago
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09-12-2006 05:59 AM  14 years ago
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Great to hear a good review about an ALIGN product from another Willie /Willy...are you from a paralled universe?
But back to the subject, I am looking for a bigger heli stuck between a SWIFT, Raptor 30, or even a TREX 600. On the E Helis the batts' prices are going to kill me, on the other hand I parts for a Raptor may be slightly higher plus I have to drive to an approved field. Hmmm decisions, decisions....
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09-12-2006 06:25 AM  14 years ago
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09-12-2006 06:31 AM  14 years ago
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Thanks for the review Willie !

I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a logo 14.
It basically came down to Ken from http://www.rcflightstore.com having an excellent stock of mikado parts no more than two days away from me.
I'll keep the swift up and running as well for those "hey check this out... crunch" moments .
It's actually performing extremely well on the new flightpower 10s 2500mah packs. Like a different heli entirely, compared to the heavy, weak emoli setup.

Good luck with the rex, hopefully I'll see it at a couple meets next year
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09-12-2006 06:51 AM  14 years ago
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09-12-2006 07:10 AM  14 years ago
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[hijack on]
That 1912 1y Shawn's using is really winding out on ten cells, seems like when you get close to their rated rpm ceiling (30,000) they run kind of hot.
I'm looking into the 1912 1.5y or the 1915 1.5y for mine.
Both should run a bit slower (cooler) on ten cells but have roughly the same power.
I hope .
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09-13-2006 12:10 AM  14 years ago
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wow, what a great review... I hope I dont' seem ungrateful but, any compare-o on these guys versus the lepton? I know that they are different class but cant hurt to ask...thanks
-dave
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09-13-2006 12:21 AM  14 years ago
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The best review is owing one and building one.

But if you can't wait just find one at a field new you ask ask to take her for a spin.


I'm sure you will be on the waiting list.

From the looks of it, a few of my heli brothers are thinking about coming to the promise land.


Nas,
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09-14-2006 08:57 AM  14 years ago
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Yes it is true, I was even impressed that it had no shakes of vibes first time in the air, I was there it was cool indeed. ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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09-14-2006 12:11 PM  14 years ago
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Yes Batt's are the Killer! since this T600 swings 600mm blades it does use all the power that the new formulation 6's Batt's can provide, you will want the new formulation packs, But the older Flight power 3700 and Thunder power 4200, will work and you can pick them up cheaper as the New stock takes over.
what is your impression of the align batteries?
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09-14-2006 04:12 PM  14 years ago
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I've run back to back flights with the Align 4200 pack and the Flightpower Evo 20 4900 pack with an Eagletree FDR onboard, the Flightpower pack recorded over 30% higher peak power, the difference is very noticable in flight plus they land much cooler.Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4
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09-14-2006 07:10 PM  14 years ago
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Hello to all,

I tried a long time 10S1P in mine T-Rex 600CF. The motor was an Orbit 30-12 with 18 pinion gear, the ESC was from Kontronik called Jazz 55-16-32.
The power was lovely heavy and hard. Flying time with FP 3700 was between 6-15 min, depending on flying style...

The sound was absolutely noise. Only Blade noise was coming with small gear noise.

The only thing was the price of all, but the fun was great!

best regards
and even space between blades and earth...

Heiner
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10-09-2006 10:17 AM  14 years ago
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willie,

Great review. I just completed my 600 and test flown it yesterday.

My initial settings are still a bit off but she sure flew like a raptor 50.

The overall build quality is good (at least comparable to TT Raptor) with the exception of the tail section which I think Align could still further improve. I found some degree of binding on the tail balde grip and some roughness on the tail shaft. Not a big deal really since this could be worked out but a bit sad that Align missed this falling a little short of a what could have been a perfect heli. Everything from the canopy to the tail boom is just superb.

Having built the V1 and the 450 SE, the 600 build was a pretty familiar build. No real issues as most of the parts fit well. My 600 is presently setup for standard non-3D flight at the moment to see how she fairs before installing the harder dampers and re-adjusting the mixers.

Only had minor problems at the main blade grip as well as the tail section. One of the main grip had a small degree of bind initially when I fitted the thrust bearing. However I got that sorted out by pressing the inner bearings in to sit properly. That took away the bind. Attaching the ball links with CA was quite a departure from the nrom for me as I am more accoustomed to bolting the ball links in. Anyway I suppose its been design that way and I havent heard of any issues about it so I guess this works.

On the tail rotor section, there was slight roughness felt in the tail shaft when pitch slider slides back and forth with some binding at the limits. This fet more like a machining issue where there were microscopic ridges left by the cutting tool. I oiled the shaft and then ran the slider back and forth to "polish" it and that took away the majority of the bind but not completely eliminated it. Still not perfect and I will have to work on it later. It would have been better if the shaft could have been polished stainless steel.

On the first test flight, the 600 was spot on. Did not even need to adjust the blade tracking. The measurements in the manual were spot on. I really loved the sound of the motor spooling up. One of my friends remarked that the 600 is the "Poorman's turbine heli". Real sexy "turbine-like" whine. Another also remarked at the smoothness of the heli (which I was really too busy to notice).

I had some problems getting the tail to hold and I suspect that this could be attributed to the tail slider needing more work.

Overall the forward flight and hovering was rock solid and with the Aligh 4400 6S2P performed very much like a Raptor 50 being tuned on the rich side.

I am still working out the pitch and throttle curve at the moment to get more headspeed before attempting any sort of 3D.

The Align Lipos, ESC and motor were only luke warm after the flights so there is no issue on the amps at the moment as far as I can see.

For all its worth, the 600 is an impressive heli and has all the potential to be a very strong contender in 50size class. It is certainly a suitable candidate for someone looking for an affordable 50sized electric variant.

RR
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10-10-2006 03:04 AM  14 years ago
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10-11-2006 06:41 AM  14 years ago
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Willie,

Thanks for the tip on the 11T Pinion. I will try to get one soon.

I am using the standard Align 4400 pack and from the test flight last week, it seemed to feel a tad on the Richly tuned Raptor 50.

Bar the fact that I was in the hurry to the my Rex in the air and did not spend enough time to get it properly set up. This I will do over the week.

Guess I was too eager as well as being put under pressure by my buddies to get her up in the air.

Overall the 600 flys quite stable and looks great too.

The quality issues are pretty minor in the scheme of things and since for the price I paid for my 600 is only slightly higher than what I paid for my 450SE so I cant really complain at all. I must admit that I did consider looking at other electric helis before deciding on the Trex 600 because its relatively affordable comparison to the Logo or Fury ion. A Furyion owner once boasted to me that the cost of his battery pack is more than my fully equipped Trex 600.

True, if one wants a high quality heli, they need to looks elsewhere and it's not going to be cheap either, so in the case of the Furyion, I rather spend the money on a heli complete with a 6S2P pack rather than just the pack! So from a point of economics, I would say the 600 represents the best bang for the buck.

In fact the 600 is far cheaper than the fully blinged out brushless equipped, MS Composite Hornet V1 I bought from Heli Hobbies, three years ago so from that perspective, the TREX 600 to me IS a bargain. I paid about close to a grand for the Hornet at that time. My Hornet had problems from the start ranging from servos detaching in flight (since most of the parts had to be CA in place) to the gears wearing out and was a great dissappointment and a confidence buster. I had to retire my Hornet after only 5 flights due to my shaken confidence it it. A very expensive lesson indeed especially when I also bought the Hornet 2 upgrade parts too!

I subsequently bought a Zap 400 (a Shogun variant) which was fully assembled and that bird had it's tail rotor bearing explode on the second flight. Again I had a lot of problems on the tail gears and the handling was sluggish inspite outfitting a BL motor. So I made it a point to never buy a heli with a shaft driven tail. It was Stirke 2 for shaft driven tail! After so much agro with tailshafts, I was convinced tail belt is the way to go, since both my Raptors never had an issue with the tail.

When the T-Rex V1 first came out, I got one of the early production models. (Belt driven tail, Oh yeah!) At that time the V1 had what seemed to be dodgy plastic parts and believe me I got an earful from my peers for buying one especially when being produced by a Vacuum cleaner company at that and the fact the V1 resembled a cheap looking, poor copy of a scaledown Raptor. The Disney logo on their website further fueled the radicule too! Yeah a heli suited for Goofy

Since I already bought it, there was no turning back and I built and flew it with the stock Align 430L motor. The power was pretty poor at the time since the airframe was relatively heavy especially with the short 315 woodies. Flying under this condition sure made the V1 looking more and more like a heli suited for Goofy. And the Goofy in question was me!

Most of my friends who had the V1 quickly summized that the V1 was unflyable due to its weight and there were looking at trimming the weight down or just retiring it alltogether. At that point I must admit that I was pretty dis-pleased with Align as their videos showed the V1 performing 3D with the early 430L motors and mine could only muster mild forward flight at best. Dang...something's not right.

Not to be deterred, I was determined to make it fly well and I ran some numbers in motorcalc over a few months to compare the Align 430L with other popular BL motors at the time and found the Hacker B40-12S to be a suitable candidate and bought one. With the lightweight Kokams 1250 15C (finally arrived) the V1 flew great. I was blown away by the stability of the V1 (over the Zap 400 and Hornet) and was now fonally very happy with it. I flew the V1 regularly for the following two years and never bothered upgrading. Besides, I could not break the frame to justify upgrading to a lighter one.

In fact my V1 has been the longest surviving T-Rex of its time and up to the time I sold it last month it still spotted about 70% of its original grey plastic parts. Man, the V1 was robust and survived 7 crashes over the course of two years. Guess the "cheap toy like plastic" made the difference after all.

When the fully blinged T-Rex 450SE (silver) came out, I finally succumbed to the temptation and bought one in January this year and was really impressed by it. It is lighter, rigid and much more stable than the V1 with sexy blings to boast too. It was a wetdream come true!

Now the T-rex could 3D well and I finally manage to sucesslfully hold a stable inverted hover at waist height and at arm's length with full confidence. Though there were minor issues with the softness of the SE's metal parts, that usually results in stripped screw threads, it was never a big issue as there are ways around the problem, i.e. by replacing the stock bolts with longer bolts and installing a captive nuts. All the orignal metal parts (except the main shaft and spindle) are still there to date.

My 450SE has had 5 crashes since January. The first was when I snapped the tail belt during a low level inverted hover and the cause was attributed to the belt rubbing on a wongly installed cable tie and finally failed. The second and third crashes were really minor, having the ESC cut out at high level (100 plus feet), where the rotor stopped and the bird dropped out of the air with the aerodynamics of a rock. Damage was surprisingly minimal with the usual boom, blade main shaft, blade and spindle damage, which was pretty amazing considering the height and the dreaded "thud" on the hard ground. The carbon frame even survived. WOW! Now I am impressed!

The fourth crash also atributed to ESC cutting out (bad Lipo pack) and only then that it cracked the frame which was easily repaired with CA.

The last crash happend last Saturday when two Hitec HS55 CCPM servos finally stripped putting the bird into a full down collective right into the ground on idle up. It was an ugly sight seeing it trash itself to death. Aaagggh! Spindle, main mast, main gear, main and tail blades, boom and double link. Hmmm....carbon frame intact!

After recovering from my depression (like about 2 minutes), I was having way too much fun with it and this crash is not going to dampen anything except making my wallet feel like its made of carbon after leaving the hobbyshop! Certainly this Phonenix will rise from it ashes again.

Anyway the 450SE is now fixed and all three HS55s have been replaced with HS65HB and the Align 430L replaced by the Hacker B40-12S and CC35. Yeah mama, this is going to be one heck of a weekend coming up!

As you can see, most of the mishaps were not attributed to the heli itself but other factors affecting it....mostly me and the ground!

The 450SE is simply a superb machine that is very sweet to fly and from what I have observed since its inception, Align has been constantly improving on their design. I love their spare parts. I mean where else can you buy spare parts where the manufacturer sometimes bundles several pieces of the item in the bag or even include spares and even a blad holder in their kit? That's a very nice touch by Align. In fact I have also noticed that the itmes included in the spares have also improved over the period. Notice that the latest 450 SE spindles now includes the 3D spacers too?

Although I now since acquired the 600, I am pretty certain that the 450SE will still continue to fly along side the 600. I am just having too much fun with it.

I must take my hat off to Align, a Vacuum cleaner company that has managed to pull it off. The may have designed their Vacuum Cleaners to SUCK but thier TREXses sure BLOW!

I am certainly looking forward to the next generation of TRex 600. Who knows, maybe the TRex 600SE?

RR
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10-16-2006 03:09 AM  14 years ago
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10-16-2006 06:30 AM  14 years ago
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Willie,

That's sad to hear about problems cropping up on your 600. I will keep that in mind as I am now logging every flight to see how the Align 4400 pack holds up. What's the version of the 600 that you have right now?

I am delighted to discover that the Align pack developed power after the 4th flight and my 600 flies performs a bit more than my Raptor 50 V2,with an OS50 equipped with a Hatori tune pipe on 15% Nitro.

Real nice but still long way from the power of the Szabo bothers' mean machines but as it stands currently pretty impressive. To top it off, the feeling of satisfaction looking at the my friend's jaws hanging out after the flight was just priceless.

I also discovered a slight problem with one of the outer tail grip bearing where it was a tad on the rough side and I initially thought was due to micro-ridges on the shaft. Anyway I polished the tail shaft, sanded some of the plastic flashes away and also replaced the tail grip bearing with one of my T-Rex 450SE spare thrust bearing (yup its the same size but 1 mm thicker). It fits. Now the tail is silk smooth and bind free.

Had three flights over the weekend and the last two flights were great especially when the Align 4400 pack finally broken in. The growl of the baldes is just fantastic.

With regards to your motor, just chek to see if your motor ingested some metal bits. Remember that this is an enclosed outrunner with large ventilation openings and some metal bits like washers that gets pulled into the motor. I had encountered a similar problem on one of my friend's Himax outrunner where a washer got into the motor and jammed the motor.

It might be difficult to disassemble the Align motor but if you could dismount and turn the shaft by hand to see where the obstruction is, it might save you the hassle of sending it back.

Oh BTW my Align 430L BL motor on my T-Rex also finally died too. Well it was good while it lasted. I have replaced it with a Hacker B40-12L and test flew it last Saturday. The power is pretty comparable to the Align 430L and I seems to get a higher head speed.

The 11T pinion for the 600 is arriving today. Yeepee! Will test this and give you a feedback next weekend.

$100 for the Align motor is not a bad price in comparison to other brand BL motors. I am trying to obtain the Align motor data to work out a compatible alternative and I have a high torque Marine 600sized 1700KV BL motor that runs on 3S that I am considering trying since if it works I will only need to parallel 3 numbers of 3S packes together and this will certainly further lighten the 600.

So far there is no motor data available for the 600 motor for me to work on. I am also thinking of gearing the Align 600 motor down for a 40 sized 3D airplane conversion project further down the road. So far it looks viable but I need the motor data to confirm this.

Looking at the gearing of the 600 on the T-rex, my guess is that that setup is pretty close to say a well tuned 50 or 60 sized 2 stroke glow on 15% nitro with the stock Align 4400 pack. Not bad really considering that the power could be futher boosted with the TP packs when I eventually get my hands on a couple later.

The only thing to do now is to transpose the gear ratio of the Raptor 50 against the T-rex to compute the resultant gear ratio for the airplane conversion so that I could maximize my 6S2P Lipo pack on other aircraft as well.


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RR
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