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09-11-2006 03:23 AM  14 years ago
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Vendetta

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Help splitting the frame !!
This is what happens when you locktite the pinion to the clutch bell and then locktite the pinion to the bearing !!

I've taken off every single screw on both sides of the frame. The frame wont open up ! My question is it "common" for someone to glue or epoxy the frame spacers into the frame? I bought this heli used a while back and have never opened up the frame and I need to get in to replace the pinion bearing.... I had something lock up as I was powering up from idle and the blades literally froze up and wouldnt turn in any direction and neither would the starter shaft. By looking at the clutch I cant really tell if it had something to do with it so I's like to replace the clutch bell, liner, bearings and the pinion.... I suspect the pinion had something to do with it because when I bought the 30v2 to 50v2 conversion the 10T pinion had a smaller inside diameter (they may have giuven me a v1 pinion by mistake in the TT kit) and the LHS didnt have a v2 10T so he machined out the inside of teh pinion larger and it fit a little snugh where as the old pinion was rather loose in the starter shaft !!

Here's the pinion before it was machined out ...

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09-11-2006 03:35 AM  14 years ago
Vendetta

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clutch is out was able to stick a needle nose plier into the frame to hole the top of the pinipn and turn ythe clutch bell... Now how to I get that frame apart to replace that bearing and pinion?? Is it okay for grown men to cry, or do I just throw the heli in the pool? HELP PLEASE !!-- Gentlemen, we can rebuild it... We have the technology....Better…stronger…faster...--
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09-11-2006 03:47 AM  14 years ago
Vendetta

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I tried inserting a screw just a bit into holes I knew there was a frame spacer and taping the screws with a hammer.. Nothing....-- Gentlemen, we can rebuild it... We have the technology....Better…stronger…faster...--
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09-11-2006 04:00 AM  14 years ago
Raffy

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Remove Servo tray, tail boom and fuel tank out. Remove the Pitch arm where the Ail servo is attached. Then unscrew and remove one side of the frame to get access to clutch mechanism.
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09-11-2006 04:04 AM  14 years ago
Vendetta

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thanks for reply... I did remove the pitch arm, I didnt do the servo tray though... Will do that... I did get the clutch out just need the pinion and bearing...-- Gentlemen, we can rebuild it... We have the technology....Better…stronger…faster...--
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09-11-2006 04:07 AM  14 years ago
Raffy

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You just have to be patient and undo your heli piece by piece until you get half the frame off. You need to do it anyway since it is stuck in there.
It's like a toothache, it feels better when pulled out.
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09-11-2006 04:42 AM  14 years ago
Vendetta

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FS: r30 just converted to R50... about 10 minutes on new hyper motor ! LOL

Its down to the bare frame. Even taking the servo tray off was a nightmare. It looks like the frame spacers are expoxied in there !! Time to buy a new frame tommorow....I can't handle this anymore tonight ! LOL
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09-11-2006 04:17 PM  14 years ago
jschenck

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It's possible that when the heli was assembled the builder took to the "a little CA" advice too far. CA will run into the frame halves pretty quickly if it's not applied correctly.

I always put a drop of CA on the SCREW before fitting it into the chassis.

I had a similar experience where a used V2 was glued together - it gave with some 'encouragement' with a screwdriver. You need to have every single screw out of the frame. Then with some careful pressure applied with a screw driver you should be able to 'crack' the CA where it has a hold of the frame. My guess is your glued together where the fan shroud slots together along with the frame spacers. I found starting at the gyro mount area was easiest. Once that cracks open, I work in the front where the servo tray bolts on. keep going until it opens up. Then clean it all up with a tooth brush and some dish soap.
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09-11-2006 04:45 PM  14 years ago
Deftone45075

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CA can do it
I put a drop of CA on all the SPACERS before running the screws in and it glued it real good.

After a crash yesterday i had to dissassemble the whole machine to see what i could salvage and couldn't get the frames apart for anything. I actually took a hacksaw to it to cut through all the spacers in the middle (frame was damaged in crash anyway) but at least I got out the clutchbell and pinion.

You could try putting debonder in all the holes but i don't know how well that works with CA if that's the case.
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09-11-2006 04:58 PM  14 years ago
jschenck

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If you put a drop of CA on the screw just before driving them into the frame inserts they will still hold really well and as a bonus, you'll be able to take your frames apart without a hacksaw!
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09-11-2006 06:20 PM  14 years ago
w.pasman

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My question is it "common" for someone to glue or epoxy the frame spacers into the frame?
No the spacers should NOT be glued, that's not in the manual. If it is CA you might try if you can crack the CA by tapping them with a hammer but I doubt it can be done as they fit tight. If you have all screws out and the frame still sticks together then you may have no option but brute force.... May cost you a new set of spacers or even a new frame if you can't even drill them out..
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09-12-2006 01:41 AM  14 years ago
Vendetta

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Thanks but I've already bought a new frame and while I'm at it, I bought all new bearings... Might as well do it right if I'm doing it !! -- Gentlemen, we can rebuild it... We have the technology....Better…stronger…faster...--
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