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09-10-2006 01:15 AM  14 years ago
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Helibras

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For faster cyclic
Hi guys,

I love my 50 SE but there is two thing I would like to improve in it. The roll rate seems slow and it is (?!?!)(nose going up and down) in very fast FF. What would be the way to get there?

I'm running TT red dampers and TT white paddles in idle 2 at 2100 RPM. Blades are NHP 600. Push-pull on elevator and 8311 on collective with heavy duty arm.

I compare it with a friend that has almost the same configuration and his heli flips considerably faster

Engine is great, I can do aileron flips forever without bogging it but every flip takes forever too

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09-10-2006 01:17 AM  14 years ago
mt92

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Go to the green paddles must faster than the white.
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09-10-2006 01:47 AM  14 years ago
Raffy

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I compare it with a friend that has almost the same configuration and his heli flips faster
Next time you see your friend, copy his setup.
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09-10-2006 01:57 AM  14 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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Green paddles.

The pitching is either the CG is off and your compensating for it in a hover with cyclic trim, OR the paddles arent aligned well.
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09-10-2006 02:48 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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Thanks for the responses guys,

My friend's setup is exactly like mine but with infinavation dampers. We were stop watching 3 consecutive back flips and his machine was like 0.4 sec faster per flip. Mine was completing the full flip in 1.7 sec. Is damper alone able to provide a faster flip?

I have a green paddles set waiting to be installed but I'm getting a second hand Carbon Extreme damper and was planning to change it first and then the paddles. Don't know exactly why, just seems more logic... Does this logic match to yours?

CG is slightly out indeed

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09-10-2006 03:37 AM  14 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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You could have more or less throw than he does, no the dampeners wont make much difference on how fast it flips, if you want faster cyclic put on green paddles.

Make sure you are getting about 6 to 7 degrees of cylic deflection on your main rotor blades at full stick, any more and you are probably bogging the engine and slowing your rotor system down, any less and you arent getting full efficency
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09-10-2006 03:47 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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I will, thanks!!
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09-10-2006 05:46 AM  14 years ago
Motoman8504

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Are you running the hoops on the outer or inner hole on the mixing lever? The outer hole on the mixing lever is for more extreme 3D.

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09-10-2006 01:48 PM  14 years ago
Jaguar

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try
a set of v paddles
Tempest FAI,Stratus,Fury Extreme,Raptor90se,Rex450se,vigor cs, wow I have a real problem
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09-10-2006 01:53 PM  14 years ago
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If you want it to flip fast stick a Kasama head on it with green paddles you will not believe how quick it flips and rollswww.m0kwr.com
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09-11-2006 12:40 AM  14 years ago
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Are you running the hoops on the outer or inner hole on the mixing lever? The outer hole on the mixing lever is for more extreme 3D.
Ditto + Greenies + all the above great info
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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09-11-2006 03:50 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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Motoman8504

What a great info man. I never heard that, where did you get it? RaptorTechnique has it? I searched all over the place to figure out what does this outer hole means.

Does this change the flybar ratio?

Thank you, very appreciated info

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09-11-2006 03:59 AM  14 years ago
turboomni

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Helibras,, It's in the factory assembly manual that comes with the heli.Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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09-11-2006 04:00 AM  14 years ago
turboomni

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Your cyclic will be much improved and add Greenies and have a ball!!Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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09-11-2006 04:04 AM  14 years ago
Raffy

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Cyclic to throttle mix will help a lot too.
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09-11-2006 04:07 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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Oh turboomni. They keep changing that &@^%$ manual all the time.

Look what says mine on chapter 5 page 7. "Washout Assembly"

"Make sure linkage balls are attached to the inside hole of each stabilizer control lever for best 3D performance"


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09-11-2006 04:08 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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Now I can see the light in the end of the funnel!!!
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09-11-2006 04:14 AM  14 years ago
Helibras

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Well, I saw the above picture on manual, page 26.

Two conflicted information on the same manual. Great isn't it?


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09-11-2006 05:09 AM  14 years ago
Motoman8504

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Glad I could help!

The reason the outer hole is for more extreme 3D is because it gets more "throw". For example, for the same input from the swashplate the hoops will move farther on the outside hole than on the inside hole. Thus, giving you greater cyclic pitch from the blades.
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09-11-2006 03:31 PM  14 years ago
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More isnt always better.Andy
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