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09-09-2006 05:58 PM  14 years ago
dazzaster

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you could come to the uk , come here and claim asylam , youll get a free house free food,free cloths wont have to pay taxs all your bills paid for you and youll end up with a good job and a car all before you reach 20
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09-10-2006 02:25 AM  14 years ago
helo_chris

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Aviation has been in a slow decline for many years. This decline was made significantly worse after 9-11. If your dream is to fly, my advise would be find another job that you enjoy and fly recreationally.
No offense, but that is exactly what I was talking about in my first post. It doesnt matter if there are only 10 people doing it, do what you love and you will be good at it. When you are good at it the money will follow.

Look to the sky, keep your feet firmly on the ground and follow your dream.
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09-10-2006 03:19 PM  14 years ago
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Consider ID (industrial design). I majored in mechanical engineering, but am now a project manager and industrial designer. More of a creative artistic job. Grinding engineering numbers is no more fun at a job that it is at school. Electrical is even worse and a lot of the good jobs are being exported to India etc. Engineering is no longer a glamorous much less lucrative career.

You can do the pilot thing, but it is expensive and a long road to a decent position and the pay has been falling. Consider also that you will be away from home a lot and landing a plane in bad conditions is anything but my idea of a good time.
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09-10-2006 10:24 PM  14 years ago
EKIM

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I spoke to a full scale pilot in my club today about my situation. He said definitely do not go for "the professional pilot" degree but go for an aviation degree and if you want to really pursue being a pilot to do my fight traing else where. This way I have other options rather than just being a pilot. I am hell bent on getting this aviation degree. (I even went to aviation summer camp when I was 12) Thats how into avaition I've always been. I think you guys are right and I should follow my dream, but in a well thought out manner which leaves other doors open. I'll put my eggs in several baskets! *******Mike********
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09-10-2006 11:29 PM  14 years ago
EvoFlight50

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He said definitely do not go for "the professional pilot" degree
well one good way to look at that is this ... many people that would have went for that degree now aren't because they're getting advice like that ... the way i see it is being that im just beginning working toward that by time i get to a point where i can start applying for big time jobs many of the people will be retiring and there wont be enough people to fill there shoes
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09-10-2006 11:42 PM  14 years ago
BJames111

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why not become an electrician? They make good money, and lots more from side jobs. 4 year program here in California, and starts at $11 an hour, tops out at over $25
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09-10-2006 11:46 PM  14 years ago
EvoFlight50

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i just left being an electrician in NY ... you need about 10 years to get your license and two years ago we used to work 6 days a week ... we were now down to 3 ... so if you're looking for just a job with security and not because its what you really want to do that wouldnt be that good of an idea ...

at least around here ... i dont know how it is in CA
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09-11-2006 01:23 AM  14 years ago
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just to reiterate - it's interesting to listen to everyone here suggest "you should be this" or "you should be that". The bottom line is, do what YOU want to do. Whether someone else is happy as a marine biologist or a sanitation engineer is totally irrelavent to you and your situation. Figure out what makes YOU happy, and pursue it like there is no tomorrow. No matter what you do, you will always find people telling you that you're doing the wrong thing for one reason or another. These people are OBSTACLES, and obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off the goal. Stay focused, do what you love, and you WILL succeed, I personally promise you that.

Mike
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09-11-2006 01:40 AM  14 years ago
Eury

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Aviation has been in a slow decline for many years. This decline was made significantly worse after 9-11. If your dream is to fly, my advise would be find another job that you enjoy and fly recreationally. If you go down to the local airport, you will find that the aircraft owners are in construction, real estate, etc. I hate to pop any bubbles, but I've run into quite a few pilots flying for the commuters who feel that they have made a mistake.
Exactly. That's advice you won't get very often, but in my experience is the best advice if you really love aviation. I really love aviation, been flying since I was 4, I have my own charter company, and a Beechcraft B58 Baron to fly people around in. However, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have done something else that I love, and flown recreationally. Doing it for a job takes some of the joy out of it, and there's not the money in it that there used to be. Yes, I have those moments ocasionally where I'm all alone at night cruising back from somewhere and it's a clear night and everything is beautiful, but if I was doing something else where I could fly for fun, I'd have the same moments without the worry and uncertainty of an aviation career. For what I've put into flight training to get to where I am, I could have gotten a law degree, or gone to medical school, or just about anything else (I'd have probably done ATC if I could go back in time). I know when we're all hanging around the airport talking, the guys who are flying for fun sure sound like they are having more fun than I am. Of course, when they are trapped in an office, I'd bet that they'd give anything to have the office view I have, so it may all equal out.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks that, I've had a couple of guys talk to me about getting a job flying who were previously with the regionals and left because the flying wasn't worth the demands. I'm lucky being self employeed, but there aren't many like me.

That said, only YOU can say what's best for you. Do what you love, but have the insight to look at your passions from multiple angles. You may find that doing it as a hobby is better than a career. Just investigate all the possibilities and don't just jump into something because it's sexy. There's so many possibilities in this world, give as many of them a thought as possible before deciding on one, because once you make the decision, it's tough to change directions.
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09-11-2006 01:55 AM  14 years ago
EvoFlight50

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i guess its one of those things where the grass is always greener on the other side ...

i recently had a really steady job working for a real big power company in NY .. i was in a union with full benifits, 401k, medical and dental ... i had a $10,000 surgery and paid $0 ... i could have ended up making a lot there

i worked in the city and everyday i was always staring at all the planes flying over head .. my whole life i wanted to be a pilot ... right now my feeling is id rather go for it and fail than to always wonder what would have happened if i do go for it ....

and i will be getting a minor in software engineering so i will have something to fall back on just in case
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09-11-2006 05:58 AM  14 years ago
BJames111

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wow, new york is tough. 4 years max to get journeyman electrician status in Ca. sorry it's so tough in ny.
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09-11-2006 07:54 AM  14 years ago
Dave Yost

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A word on passion and flying professionaly.

have you done any flying?

I am 39 years old and after 15 years, 6000+ flight hours, ATP,B737 type rating, walked away from the airlines to start my own business.

Like many of you, I was an avaition nut growing up. Bob Hoover was my hero. I solo'ed at 16, got my Private Certificate at 17. by the time I was 20, I had 700hrs and time in every thing form Cessna 310's to the Pitts S2B, (Inst,comm,SEL/MEL). I was the "Golden Kid" or the "500hr Wonder" at the local FBO. I gave the shirt off my back for every hour of flight time. The airlines where in a slump after Desert Storm, so after college, I ended up flying Beech 99's back and forth to the Grand Canyon and flying a Citation 2 part time. I was hired by a regional air carrier (commuter) in 1995, flying the EMB-120 Turboprop. Thats were fun stoped.

My pay as a co-pilot was $1500 per month. it took me four years to upgrade to captain because there was very little movement. As captain, I made about 40K/per year. I was in crapy hotels four nights per week and never had weekends off. The pay sucked,the benefits sucked, the schedule sucked. After 6 years of getting ripped off, under payed and almost Divorced, I spent 10K for a 737 type rating hoping SouthWest would pick me up. I had an interview, did not get hired and three months later, 9-11 ended any chance working for a major air carrier.

In 2002, I left the airlines and went to work as a program Manager for an Aerospace Company. I traveled over seas to support there customers and made three times what I was making as a pilot the first year. Between the money I made overseas and a few lucky real estate investments, I have been able to cruse for a while and start my own business.

If flying is your passion, I would say do it. But be advised, the pay and benefits just are not there any more. Infact, they are sub-standard compaired to most other professions. Make sure you love to fly and your not just doing it because you like R/C stuff and it seems like the thing to do. I have not flown a full Scale aircraft in three years now and don't miss it at all. Unless theres a load of money involved, I don't plan on ever going back.

The Airline gravy-train left the station about ten years ago and every body who was not on it got let down hard.

The pilot in me would never want to discurage someone from flying if it's there passion. But do your home work and understand what your getting into and make sure your wife understands too.

Cheers, Dave
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09-11-2006 03:43 PM  14 years ago
Eury

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I think the point of his post is that for every one guy like you who is making a good living in aviation, there are a thousand who are just taking it up the a$$. YES, it's possible to make a good living in avaiation and be happy with the life, but it's far more common to not have it work out like it was promised back when we all decided to go into aviation. I am happy with my career, but I have to say with open eyes that the life that I was sold on when I decided to pursue this does not exist any more, the realities of avaition are far different now than they were in the 90s and before.Nick Crego

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09-11-2006 04:02 PM  14 years ago
Dave Yost

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Gee RBMJW, I did not think giveing this guy some info would turn personal.

If flying is your passion, then go for it. I don't regret any of it, and sure, I could go get recurrent and get a corprate flying job. When I started flying in 84' the airlines were the number one goal of most pilots, corprate flying was a distant second. Like RBMJW pointed out, that all has changed. If I were doing it now, I would be looking at NetJets or something like that. He's right. I am not saying don't do it. I am saying you should know that the day's of the 200K airline captain with cozy retirement are over.

To answer RBMJW question, I did three years at OEF as a program manager/civilian contractor, operating Predator UAV's for the USAF.(I guess that makes me a failure?). Now I am in a masters program at ERAU and my wife has a real estate appraisal firm that is doing very well. I have a graphic design business painting helmets for race car drivers and just entered the canopy painting business. Art was my other passion and yes I enjoy it very much.

RBMJW is correct, corprate flying is where its at for the moment.
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09-11-2006 04:04 PM  14 years ago
EvoFlight50

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have you done any flying?
yeah i have ... i started flying when i was twelve ... it was kind of funny because i used to get horribly air sick ... for the first 6 months the longest i could be in the plane was for about 45min ... the shortest being about 10min before i had my head in a bag ... my father had his PPL so i took the lessons in his plane ... him and the instructor used to take bets before we took off how long id last

i ended up stopping when i was 15 ... im now 23 and have my PPL and im on my way to getting my instrument and i havent gotten sick in about 8 years ...

every job has its downfall ... it may be hard to get a job flying ... but my father has a job in computer programming and he gets home from work late and sits behind the computer all night and ends up working on the weekend also ... which sucks ... lawyers work the same way except there work is even more of a pain ... so any job is going to have its downfalls ... just have to pick your poison i guess
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09-11-2006 04:22 PM  14 years ago
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it's a tough job.......
but somebody's gotta do it....

i got into photography a few years back, thought it would be just another hobby, until people started asking to buy my pics. after a few years, i've worked my way up to doing mostly model portfolio work. i get paid to take pics of beautiful women..don't make a lot of money, but then i don't need much. life is good!

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09-11-2006 04:32 PM  14 years ago
Eury

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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!Nick Crego

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09-11-2006 04:33 PM  14 years ago
EvoFlight50

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if i was shooting her the last form of currency i'd want to be paid is money ...
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09-11-2006 04:41 PM  14 years ago
Eury

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Truer words have never been spoken. Nick Crego

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09-11-2006 04:43 PM  14 years ago
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hmmm...
wonder if anybody would be interested in a calender with R/C Helis and girls like her...Real photos like that seem to be rare... might need some volunteers with helis..
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