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09-09-2006 07:01 PM  14 years ago
BJames111

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I'm not going to label myself a dem, or republican. Politics tend to bring out the evil in people. I'm a guy who realizes that I only have one life to live, and I cannot waste my time debating issues that will never be solved.

It's a shame that so many people had to die because of terrorism, and now because of bush's manufactured war.

I'm gonna go fly my heli now...
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09-09-2006 07:45 PM  14 years ago
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"I cannot waste my time debating issues that will never be solved"
That wide spread mind set is why we have a 30% voter turn out
and 10% of mexicos population. It don't concern me,and if I vote it wont fix anything.
Decision through indecision


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09-09-2006 08:03 PM  14 years ago
BJames111

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I never said I don't vote. I do register as democrat, but I don't like the label, because I vote for the person who I see as the best canidate. Not just amongst party lines. If I was unregistered, I wouldn't have any say as to who the democratic party elected in the primary...
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09-09-2006 08:06 PM  14 years ago
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I like the fact that you vote with your beliefs, not party lines, I do the same. My beliefs and values just fall in line more with Republican candidates than Democratic ones.
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09-09-2006 08:14 PM  14 years ago
BJames111

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and that's what is great about The U.S.A we all have our own opinions and that's ok. The majority rules and I'm ok with it. Just because I don't agree with it, or you don't agree with it doesn't mean that we have to be hateful. I'm sick of being called the "lunatic left", or any number of names some people will call. I get frustrated as well, and call names back, but they are usually descriptive terms, not blatant insults.
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09-09-2006 09:33 PM  14 years ago
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Dear Robert Iger:

We write as professional historians, who are deeply concerned by the continuing reports about ABC’s scheduled broadcast of “The Path to 9/11.” These reports document that this drama contains numerous flagrant falsehoods about critical events in recent American history. The key participants and eyewitnesses to these events state that the script distorts and even fabricates evidence into order to mislead viewers about the responsibility of numerous American officials for allegedly ignoring the terrorist threat before 2000.

The claim by the show’s producers, broadcaster, and defenders, that these falsehoods are permissible because the show is merely a dramatization, is disingenuous and dangerous given their assertions that the show is also based on authoritative historical evidence. Whatever ABC’s motivations might be, broadcasting these falsehoods, connected to the most traumatic historical event of our times, would be a gross disservice to the public. A responsible broadcast network should have nothing to do with the falsification of history, except to expose it. We strongly urge you to halt the show’s broadcast and prevent misinforming Americans about their history.

Sincerely,

Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
Sean Wilentz, Princeton University
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Lizbeth Cohen, Harvard University,
Nicholas Salvatore, Cornell University;
Ted Widmer, Washington College;
Rick Perlstein, Independent Scholar;
David Blight, Yale University;
Eric Alterman, City University of New York.
These top historians wrote this letter to ABC.
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09-09-2006 10:40 PM  14 years ago
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That's what I'm trying to say....what a good quote.
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09-09-2006 11:13 PM  14 years ago
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lol they haven't even seen the show and they're already complaining, what a bunch of b*******Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
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09-10-2006 01:05 AM  14 years ago
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lol they haven't even seen the show and they're already complaining, what a bunch of b*******
Enough people have seen it and it is airing tomorrow so they had to act now. They know people like you will believe it to be the truth and not question anything in it.
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09-10-2006 03:39 AM  14 years ago
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lol and they know people like you fight to have the truth shown to help their own agenda.Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
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09-10-2006 03:51 AM  14 years ago
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We should all fight to have the truth shown, don't you think?
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09-10-2006 04:58 AM  14 years ago
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Got one issue
They said sandy berger( mr.steal documents from national archive berger) didn't hang up on the supposedly composite CIA agent .

The Ex agent that was the guy on the other end of the phone said he did.(writes allot of books about this stuff and is no fan of bush)
Said that they didn't want to link to the assassination of bin laden
something along those lines .The G man was talking about it the other day on the radio.


Its a fictional composite of the path to 9-11
Kind of MM fictional ferincrap 9/11 that the left put so much stock in.

Hell I remember that camp of empty tents and the aspirin factory that clinton blew up ,right in the middle of the "none of our business monica gate" .

I just watched "united 93" , a composite of what happened that day .Pretty much made me mad at everybody.
Hey the whole freaking system dropped the god damn ball.
There was republicans involved also,just like the idiots that sided with the dems to run that amnesty bill through the senate.

Everybody's responsible because they forgot 2/26/93 ,all of them so called leaders, so suck it up and watch the fictional show and get angry at those that forgot. Hell show me what lead up to that.
Oh yeah it was the enemy of my enemy is my friend BS "USSR vs Afghanistan/bin laden"
We were attacked many times before 9-11 sheeple, most in clinton's term .So it turns out he couldn't run the country and fight a nonsensical BJ accusation at the same time .
But I already knew that.
Hey sealer, what if the the "truth" is so much worse than this fictional show.
I bet it is.
Perhaps it all started here?
http://www.nisat.org/blackmarket/Ca...vestigated.html
Culture of coruption ?

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09-10-2006 05:15 AM  14 years ago
Sealerman

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So it turns out he couldn't run the country and fight a nonsensical BJ accusation at the same time
Who kept bring up that BJ accusation that was so threatening to our national security?
They said sandy berger( mr.steal documents from national archive berger) didn't hang up on the supposedly composite CIA agent .
He didn't hang up because the call never happened.
Hell I remember that camp of empty tents and the aspirin factory that clinton blew up ,right in the middle of the "none of our business monica gate" .
Yea thats when Clinton was damed if he did anything because the Reps said no war for Monica.
There was republicans involved also,just like the idiots that sided with the dems to run that amnesty bill through the senate.
Gee, are you saying it wasn't all Clinton fault? Are you a Liberal?
Hey sealer, what if the the "truth" is so much worse than this fictional show.:
I believe it is much worse but when we get rid of GWB things can only get better.
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09-10-2006 05:28 AM  14 years ago
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debogus, tell me what would you have said if Clinton got a PDB that head lined "Bin Ladin Determined to attack in America" and did nothing with that info? I'm sure you would lead every post with that head line.
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09-10-2006 05:36 AM  14 years ago
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Former President Clinton said he didn't want the show to air because he "doesn't want any lies in there parading as truth." (His own words from an interview yesterday, and played on ABC News).

Isn't it odd that Mister "I did NOT have sex with that woman", and a practicing attorney who was disbarred because he lied to a grand jury in regard to the Monica Lewinksy affair, and Mister "it all depends on what the meaning of 'is', is", is all of a sudden concerned about truth? Only when it's convenient for Bill, is when the truth be told. In all other cases, it's simply a "vast right-wing conspiracy" that is blamed for his troubles. This from the fellow who kept Yasser Arafat (world renowned terrorist of his day) waiting outside the oval office while Monica gave him a BJ.

I did not see this same crowd insisting upon truth and accuracy, integrity, and honesty, when the Michael Moore "Fahrenheit 911" atrocity was being shown far and wide a couple of years back. This was a sham of a movie designed directly to affect the outcome of a Presidential election.

Apparently, Bill Clinton who is still trying to build his Presidential legacy to be something other than the President who screwed interns while in office, is upset that someone should come along and present a Television mini-series that would set his legacy building back a few years.

Sany Berger, the great National Security Advisor, was caught smuggling sensitive and secret papers out of the archives while the 911 Commission was doing its thing. When caught with sensitive papers stuffed in his pants and shoes, he simply said he'd "forgot" he had them. Riiiight! And perhaps was he not only smuggling papers OUT of the archives, did he possibly smuggle other papers IN, and pull a switcheroo to change the recorded version of history? This fellow should be spending a bunch of time in Jail as someone who stole secret and sensitive material, not out whining in public about the raw deal some TV show is giving Clinton.

Back to the mini-series. Why should the "Clintonistas" have the ability to censor or demand that the public never be allowed to see a TV-mini series? When does this band of political hacks get the power to control what we see on Television? And why should certain Democratic Senators and other high-ranking Democratic party officials be allowed to issue a thinly-veiled threat to ABC with respect to pulling their broadcast license simply to prevent a movie from being aired?

Had the Bush administration tried similar tactics to quash the showing of "Fahrenheit 911" a few years back, he and his party would have been crucified in the press instantly.

What is it that the Democrats are afraid of us seeing and hearing?

Dave
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09-10-2006 05:46 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

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Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
Sean Wilentz, Princeton University
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Lizbeth Cohen, Harvard University,
Nicholas Salvatore, Cornell University;
Ted Widmer, Washington College;
Rick Perlstein, Independent Scholar;
David Blight, Yale University;
Eric Alterman, City University of New York.
Top historians. What might their credentials be to make them "top historians"? Who appointed them to be "top historians"? Did this same august group also complain as loudly and as publicly to Michael Moore about "Fahrenheit 911"? If not, why not. After all, they are only "top historians" and interested only in the truth. Perhaps some investigation into their political leanings and affiliations might be in order before simply accepting their plea as one that is being made in the name of "truth." The fact that all of these "top historians" are all academics affiliated with Universities (a place where conservatives and conservatism are evil) is enough to make me doubt their sincerity, or their "pure" motives.

A little research on these "top historians":

Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr:
Active in liberal politics, Schlesinger was a cofounder of the Americans for Democratic Action (1947). He served as an assistant to Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kennedy
Sean Wilentz:
An unabashed liberal Democrat in his political writings, and a foe of left-wing independents as well as right-wing Republicans, Wilentz was incensed by the impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998 and, with Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. and C. Vann Woodward, he organized an ad hoc anti-impeachment group, Historians in Defense of the Constitution, which enlisted the support of nearly 500 historians. The group purchased an advertisement page in the New York Times stating its opposition to impeachment on constitutional grounds.
Michael Kazin:

Among other things, he is a regular contributor to "Dissent Magazine". This is from the "Dissent Magazine" website"

About Dissent Magazine:
Dissent is a quarterly magazine of politics and culture edited by Mitchell Cohen and Michael Walzer. In the words of the New York Times, Dissent "ranks among the handful of political journals read most regularly by U.S. intellectuals.

A magazine of the left, Dissent is also a magazine of independent minds. A magazine of strong opinions, Dissent is also a magazine that welcomes the clash of strong opinions.
Ted Widmer:

Didn't have to search far, Ted Widmer is associated with the Clinton Global Initiative.
The Clinton Global Initiative is a project of the William J. Clinton Foundation. The mission of the Foundation is to strengthen the capacity of people throughout the world to meet the challenges of global interdependence.

The Foundation works principally through partnerships with like-minded individuals, organizations, corporations, and governments, often serving as an incubator for new policies and programs.

Along with these programs and initiatives, the William J. Clinton Foundation designed and developed the Clinton Presidential Center in Little Rock, Arkansas. Encompassing the vision of President Clinton, the Center is located within a 30 acre city park along the southern bank of the Arkansas River.
Rick Perlstein:

No biases here...
His article for the Boston Review on how Democrats can win was recently reprinted under the title The Stock Ticker and the Superjumbo, together with other articles
Eric Alterman:

Frequent contributor to "The Nation". Read his stuff, definitely has a one-sided agenda with respect to the current administration.

As for the rest -- it's late here, I've not found "damning" stuff on the web in the past hour, but reading about some of their other activities and writings tends to indicate that these people are in no way "conservatives".

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09-10-2006 05:49 AM  14 years ago
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"He didn't hang up because the call never happened"
According to that document stealing twit?You believe any government official?
He said they said who gives a pluck
The GOVERNMENT and in the end We are responsable for this .
But oh ,it unfavorbly portrays how that administration handled that situation.
Hell thats what I thought when this all went down.

Like I said he couldnt do both.
Not so bitchin after all.
Kind of the way I'm starting to look at the current administration.
Fight the facist and immigration
Next administration will probably be your team,Trust me they will be worse.


Dave
Do you remember 2/26 ?
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09-10-2006 06:01 AM  14 years ago
debogus

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DUDE
"Yea thats when Clinton was damed if he did anything because the Reps said no war for Monica"
That is so weak even for you
Empty tents and a ASPIRIN factory ,under pressure and he OK's this.
But its OK by you.

dkshema , Yep thats what I get every time the experts speak.

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09-10-2006 08:57 AM  14 years ago
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I did not see this same crowd insisting upon truth and accuracy, integrity, and honesty, when the Michael Moore "Fahrenheit 911" atrocity was being shown far and wide a couple of years back. This was a sham of a movie designed directly to affect the outcome of a Presidential election.
Boy if that isn't the truth. I dont really want to get into the politics between conservatives and liberals, but it seems liberals can dish out a HELL of alot of criticism, and cant take any in at all. Good research on those "top historians" dkshema. Lol "top historians" i'm sure they are only interested in the truth. That and staying loyal to the liberals, which by all means only speak the truth. We really need to get rid of this two party system. Abolish both parties all together, have everylast elected official be an independent. Perhaps then we'd get something done instead of just fighting amongst eachother, and trying to block what the other is doing, even if it is for the good of the country. So sad that politicians forget they are on the same team in the end, especially around this time (election year)
Timing is everything
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09-10-2006 03:48 PM  14 years ago
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Next administration will probably be your team,Trust me they will be worse.
How could any adm. do worse Debrainless?
"Yea thats when Clinton was damed if he did anything because the Reps said no war for Monica"
That is so weak even for you
It's not my fault if you think the truth is weak.
Empty tents and a ASPIRIN factory ,under pressure and he OK's this.
But its OK by you.
So bad intel is Clintons fault, it's not like he started a war with bad intel like Chuckle Nuts did.
Dkshema said
The fact that all of these "top historians" are all academics affiliated with Universities
Your a moron, where should historians make their money working for oil companies you 1/2 witt.
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