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09-07-2006 06:44 AM  14 years ago
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oopsididitagain

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align quality problem , ever experienced them?
i've read through a lot of threads some saying they swore the quality of the trex is the best out there in terms of e-heli and goes side by side with e-heli. but i've also read some people who diss and commented how bad the quality of align trex are.

Do you have a fair share of your own experience to share about your trex heli?


Just want to survey the market why there is a sudden increase of sales in trex , as if everyone is trying to get rid of them.
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09-07-2006 06:55 AM  14 years ago
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well since my trex 450 se experience i did not think align was all that because of several part failures and problems that many ppl experienced. i just recently purchased the trex 600 and i must say that align pulled it off real good this time. i inspected each and every part with a magnifying glass during assembly to see if the same errors were made that they had in the 450 but it seems that they have corrected everything that they could possibly think of this time on their 600 fleet. i also have a logo 10 3D and honestly the trex 600 is way above the league of the logos. comparatively to what they offer for the price. don't get me wrong i am a die hard logo fan but the parts are way too pricey and the logo kits does not include much as to what align throws into the kit. but again, everyone has their own opinion...
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09-07-2006 08:01 AM  14 years ago
caseyjholmes

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All my Align Trex helicopters have worked great =)
Can't say the same for their electronics though..
but others seem to have good luck with align electronics.
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09-07-2006 08:24 AM  14 years ago
OICU812

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Good lord Britney this is an old horse, this question can be seen and answered among the billion threads on this very topic. I don't want to sound like a prick but this is an exhausted question on this forum, some will tell you they have had fantastic luck, others will not. In general the short answer is "it is getting better" all imho of course. For being a newcomer I understand your questions, but the search feature is really good here and can save you and others alot of time. Have fun. ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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09-07-2006 10:03 AM  14 years ago
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I have to give a different perspective here...we are talking about a MODEL helicopter...for some of us who have been in this hobby for awhile it's a serious hobby but for what it's worth and given the fact that this is a hobby my experience with ALIGN is on par with every other 'toy' I have owned. I just find it amusing that there are some people with an absolute grudge against a company like ALIGN. This was my second heli to a Blade CP which had its quirks also. I crash mainly because I can't see the heli or still learning. I know the Align gyro sucked (from my experience) but haven't had issues with any other part.
Sure the TREX costs some money but I am not going to get into a pissing contest or argue over a hobby like this, it's not worth it. SO in short, I have had one negative experience with ALIGN quality and it is the gyro. I continue to buy products from ALIGN because I never had issues. I would like a true main gear but it has never hampered the fun I had flying the TREX. I am not going to grumble over it. FWIW, the TREX has introduced me into this hobby and I am contemplating getting something bigger...TREX600?
Bottom line: I am having fun with my TREX. I enjoyed doing the mods like adding bearings to the seesaw and flying it to see a difference, but that is what I enjoy.

Now if ALIGN was in the same business as Dillon or RCBS then I would expect a higher level of quality.
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09-07-2006 12:24 PM  14 years ago
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I have an XL with about 25 or 30 flights on it and I have yet to have any quality control issues. I am however, not using any align products other than the heli frame itself. I was using an align gyro but found it to be inferior to my gy-240. this doesnt mean the gyro was junk. it was fine for a beginner learning to hover and FFF but I am progressing into aerobatics and the align/telebee gyro was not up to the task.


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09-07-2006 06:13 PM  14 years ago
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OICU812: dude my nick is to say i bought more and more heli rather than controlling my own budget.
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09-07-2006 06:22 PM  14 years ago
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No, not really. I have a stock Trex 450 SE with NO problems at all. Crached once, with no parts other than blades cracking.

Recently bought a 600 wich looks very promising, apart from battry costs....
Thor
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10-09-2006 10:57 AM  14 years ago
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I have had the T-Rex V1, 450 SE and the 600. From what I have observed, Align has come a long way since the days of the "Plastic Toy-like" V1. The newer machines are better built and has been an improvement over the earlier versions. Again bang for the buck its not bad at all.

I have owned and flown several electric helis in the past including the MS Hornet and Zap 400 and honestly the T-rex SE is pretty good quality and flyingwise.

With regards to helis I would say Align is pretty OK except for their electroncs.
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10-09-2006 11:08 AM  14 years ago
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Two pet hates:

1. Main gear not round. Arrrr....

2. New belts with green fibres already exposed straight out of the bag. It appears the black rubber coating on the edges are a hit or miss afair.
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10-09-2006 11:52 AM  14 years ago
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NO problems with my Trex 600 so far. Even the cheap 6S battery looks good!Thor
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10-09-2006 04:57 PM  14 years ago
rky5

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Nope still going strong with stock parts!
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10-09-2006 05:12 PM  14 years ago
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If you owned any Align product you have experienced quality problems wether you know it or not. Guaranteed. One point that no one can argue is the quality of the metal used. Very substandard.
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10-10-2006 02:49 AM  14 years ago
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10-10-2006 04:19 AM  14 years ago
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over one year old.
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10-10-2006 04:28 AM  14 years ago
caseyjholmes

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My new 600 kit had all the updates. Came with new AND old blade grips, A shaft through the tail belt pulley, Nothing was wrong with the spindle or head bearings in any way, and the rotor operates more freely on this one, including all the swash and mixing parts. All the puishrod threads were normal and not warped, no damage to any parts during shipping, no delaminating or splitting carbon frames..

One strike though, the tail servo mount and tail pushrod guides were "left out" of the kit contents. Instead of waiting and writing emails, I Went and bought one.
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10-12-2006 06:20 AM  14 years ago
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I dont think it is fair to make a summary judgement of Quote "If you owned any Align product you have experienced quality problems wether you know it or not. Guaranteed. One point that no one can argue is the quality of the metal used. Very substandard".

To be fair to Align, their T-Rexes are pretty good. In fact all three of my T-Rexes (i.e. V1, 450SE and 600CF) presents the least problems so far in comparison to the helis I previously owned in the past and I am very satisfied with them.

Having owned and flown a Zap 400 (a Shogun 400 variant) priced at about the same cost as a V1 HDE variant, I have experienced the tail rotor bearing exploding on the second flight. Now that heli was a preassembled heli out of the box. Brand new. The tail drive gears constantly had wearing out problems and was eventually replaced with after market parts. I finally sold the Zap 400 off after getting fed up of constantly having to change worn out parts. Try putting up with buying a dozen tail drive gears sets at one time.

Even glow helis are not inmune to problems and on one of my Raptor 50 V2 I had a crash as a result of the elevator bell crank bolt shearing off in flight after a series of stationary forward flips.

My fully blinged out, BL equipped MS Composite Hornet (that painfully cost about the same as a combo TRex 600CF today) also presented problems from day one and I junked it after about a few flights because I lost confidence in it. You break the boom you change the frame, you break the skid you change the frame because the damn parts were CA together! The servos once dropped out in flight. Try that one for frustration!

A Kalt Baron that I once owned suffered a rotor head disintegration due to metal fatigue in flight. (That was a real ugly sight!) Talk about Align's metal quality?

On other occations, I have also witnessed an almost brand spanking new Excel Fury Gasser's tail gear drive fail in flight a couple of months ago. A friend's Raptor 50 with after market metal tail rotor balde grip also seperated in flight, another friend's Raptor 90SE suffered a broken flybar control linkage and a Horobo Shuttle ZXX crashed due to the canopy coming loose and struck the rotor.

Now would it be fair to also summize that Hirobo, Thunder Tiger, Miniature Aircraft, Kalt, MS Composite or Zap share the same comdemnation as Align for quality or is it really the lack of maintenance or care during the build process? Certainly NOT. All those helis are in fact excellent products so I fail to understand why is Align singled out?

For your information, I recently sold off my TRex HDE V1 (the cheap looking grey plastic variant) after flying over the course of two years and even after going through about 7 crashes, it still spotted about 70% of its original parts. The frame, rotor head, swashplate (except the spindle, main shaft and blades) NEVER failed! I never even had to replace my flybar. Not even one ball link ever failed no matter how bad the crashes were. All the bearings are still original. Sure there were many skid and tail boom replacements attributed to crashes. Now try that with a Piccolo Pro, Max 400, Ark 400 or a Shogun 400.


There were some minor issues with the TRex 450SE but then again which heli does not have an issue to begin with? Anyway on the 450SE, most of them are attributed to the strength of the bolts and screw threads. The threads strip or the bolt breaks if you accidently OVER TIGHTEN them. Then again, common sense dictated that it is not necessary to over tighten them, especially when they are so small. Just tighten , i.e finger tight to get the parts to hold firmly and use threadlock to keep the bolts from getting undone. Even with the threads all stripped, it just a matter of replacing the bolts with longer ones and a captive nut on the opposite side for a quick and permanent fix. No issues.

Having flown the 450SE for 10 months now, I have never had a problem with the heli itself except the 430L motor end bell coming loose on the 9th month which was also easily fixed with metal pins. Inspite suffering 5 crashes to date (the last one being a failure in two HS55 cyclic servos gears causing a full down collective on idle up into the ground HARD), NONE of the metal parts had to be replaced. The carbon frame only suffered a crack (fixable with CA) on the 4th crash and was not damaged on the 5th inspite the hard slam. Still flying with the original carbon frame.

Even full multi-million dollar full scale helis are not inmune to problems. I have personally experienced technical problems on three seperate occations flying in full scale helicopters. One was an engine fire (both engines by the way) where we had to ditch into the sea, another was in an executive helicopter that had hydraulic leak and we had to execute an emergency landing and the last was in a 30 passenger transport helicopter with retract failure. Heck those are FULL SCALE US made helis used by both the Military and Civilian. So where is the argument on quality?

So in a gist all helis large or small do have some issues in one form or another and that is no valid reason to single out a manufacturer and condemn the product.

I Love my TRexes and I will continue to fly them. The TREXes above all other helis I owned in the past, have given the most heli stick time and I love every minute of it!

Align may have produced Vacuum Cleaners that SUCK but their Trexes sure gives a good BLOW!

ROCK ON ALIGN!

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10-12-2006 10:07 AM  14 years ago
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Sounds like you bought the company.
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10-12-2006 12:39 PM  14 years ago
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I've had some problems with some of the screws that come with the kit... mainly because, from what I hear, the quality metals they use aren't always the greatest... Although they do sell stainless steel ball links and screw sets now that are supposed to solve this predicament. But hey... I dunno...
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10-12-2006 01:46 PM  14 years ago
Raptor Rulezzz

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Align may have produced Vacuum Cleaners that SUCK but their Trexes sure gives a good BLOW!
Agreed on that one!

Like you, I've seen many failures on many types/brands of helicopters... most were self induced by the pilot.

I've been flying my T-rex 450SE for almost a year and it's a great little helicopter! More power than needed to do ANYTHING if you use good batteries.

At the moment I'm building the T-rex 600 and it looks great!!!

Ofcourse, I did see some things from align that they could have done better... but I've had more problems with MA than with Align

Most common problems with people flying align stuff is:
- Lack of experience
- Careless build (just toss it together and go fly!)
- Using el cheapo batteries
- Not understanding electrics (look like this after there esc burned out, trying to fly on 50% throttle )

Cheers,

Richard


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