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09-06-2006 02:47 PM  14 years ago
Havoc

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You could replace their fuel
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09-06-2006 02:54 PM  14 years ago
vince

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You dont have to beat the crap of a machine to see is it running right. There is not to many guys that will say please see if you can break my heli in flight. 20 seconds into a flight and you know if the engine is running right.
We are all different on are test flights and I myself do not want to feal bad because a rung someones heli out a little to hard and something fails on it. its not like I know every bolt on there machine and there building skills.
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09-06-2006 03:08 PM  14 years ago
Havoc

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*sigh* How is it that these topics get so tedious. I didn't say you had to beat the crap out of the machine. But when I say test it, I mean the guy hands me the machine and says do this or that. If he wants the engine set, I do that. If he wants to see how it autos then I do that, If he wants to see if it will do my routine I start testing that until I perceive some limit then fix that when possible.
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09-06-2006 03:34 PM  14 years ago
Hoverdown3K

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A) Builder / Owner
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09-06-2006 10:15 PM  14 years ago
freakyreef

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I recently helped a guy with his and test flew it. I made it VERY clear that I would in no way put the heli in an unfamiliar postion which could lead to dumb thumbitis, but any crash would be his responsibility since he was the one that asked. I put it through a very mild flight, trimming it out without a crash. He was very thankful and replied it gave him great confidence just to see it fly. He had no problem with the deal, even if it had crashed. He said if it were him trying to trim it out, he probably would have crashed anyway.Walk on water long enough, eventually you will get your feet wet.
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09-06-2006 11:44 PM  14 years ago
Roamer

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I have only helped two people setup and trim out their helicopters. In both cases, I was very clear with them BEFORE I took the heli up that things can go wrong. And if they do, they get stuck with the bill.

It was a precondition to flying it. In both cases, they thought that was only fair. I'm gald to say that in both cases nothing went wrong and they both were very glad to get their birds tweaked in and tested.

It really DOES give most people a LOT more confidence when they SEE thata THEIR bird can actually fly. And fly nice and smooth. And hover in one place. And...
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09-07-2006 12:13 AM  14 years ago
mkeigwin

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i have had 3 bird go in because of the parts falling it was not the pilot that made it go in so i have payed for all the cost to repair . now . he will not fly my bird's until i do some loops and rolls with them first. that is fair . i think.


now on the other hand i have seen the same guy ask to fly someones else bird and crashed it . doing a roll over inverted auto . smacked it hard and he payed for all the cost to repair .

now at my club . if you have the pin and someone turns on they pay . have seen that one 2 times . from the 2 same guys,lets say that they now know who is flying and when .
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09-19-2006 03:47 AM  14 years ago
MJWS

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If I'm setting up or testing someone's heli it is their cost if it goes in. This is a VERY easy conversation. Not everyone knows the rules so it is best to spell it out clearly.

That said, if it was my mistake I'd still pay. It really isn't that hard to fly within your limits. At least with a heli we can set it down if it doesn't feel right. If they made a mess on a plank it can be a world of hurt to get it back down safely.

If I offer my bird to a friend, it is my bill if something fails. I'd expect him to offer to pay if it was pilot error. If it's a rookie and I just want to get him on the sticks of something nice. My bill regardless.

Mike
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09-19-2006 06:13 AM  14 years ago
OH58D

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Easier said than done, I've seen and heard it before but spoken like a true pilot.
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09-19-2006 06:44 AM  14 years ago
Jimmi

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If someone was going to test someone's heli out at least be specific in telling them if something happenes I'm not responsible before you take control of the tx. The worst thing you can do is trying to help someone and then something happens to the helicopter thats beyond your control and it wasn't discussed beforehand. In other words always protect yourself by trying to be up front and open, and your words will be the deciding factor whether you fly or pass. Jimmi
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09-19-2006 09:54 AM  14 years ago
filtvet2

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I help beginners all the time with planks and helis. The first thing I say to them is: "I take NO responsibility whatsoever. Agree?". If "no" they'll have to find another one....

Having said so - I have never crashed somone elses model
Thor
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09-19-2006 04:07 PM  14 years ago
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Me 2 if I dork it I pay, if it falls to bits midair thats their problem.Warning...This hobby is very addictive and may damage your wealth
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09-19-2006 06:49 PM  14 years ago
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Should be a very simple rule: You ask or offer someone to fly your model, they crash, it's your problem. It works the same way in life, you offer or lend someone your car, they crash, it's your insurance that pays for it. You invite someone to a BBQ, they break a leg in your backyard, your homeowners pays for it. Why should someone pay for your model if they didn't ask to fly it? It's not fair and would discourage many from helping in the first place.

If someone asks if they can fly your model, tell them up front, "you crash, you pay" or accept the possibility of having to pay for repairs on that model. Of course the guilty party should offer to pay for damages if they wanted to play with your model and dorked it in but it is always better to settle that before hand just in case.
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09-19-2006 07:27 PM  14 years ago
scratchbildr

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I've done this.
I've plown planks for 10+ years. I have been asked numerous times "hey, would you mind taking mine up and trim it?" I ALWAYS reply "sure, If it crashes I'm not responsible!"
That being said, I never let them just walk off and let me fly it. I make them stand there with me. I explain that," it pulls to the right,or there is alot of down trim" etc. I think that if they are standing along side you, It is easier for you to tell them when something goes wrong! In answer to the posted question:
They ask, they pay.(exept for dumb thumbs)
You ask you pay! If you ask to fly theirs, Theirs usually has been flown before. The only exception would be mechanical failure. Then It would have probably crashed anyway. Just my $.02.
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09-20-2006 07:02 AM  14 years ago
filtvet2

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And another issue: I would never let someone else fly my Raptor 50 or Trex 600 Expert or not.

Not selfish, but I would rather do the crashes myself.
Thor
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