RunRyder RC
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 2275 views Post Reply
Home✈️Aircraft🚁HelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › Who has to pay for it...?
09-06-2006 08:27 AM  14 years ago
Topic Vote0Post 1
OH58D

rrVeteran

Northern Ca, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Who has to pay for it...?
If someone asks you to trim, fix or test fly their heli (for free as a favor) and when you did, it crashed. Should you have to pay for the damages on heli or is it automatically agreed that the liability is not yours and you shouldn't have to pay for the crashed heli?

I've seen it happen more than enough times and felt bad for both parties but how would you satisfy a situation like that if you were caught in one?

Either A) a mechanical failure on the heli you didn't build or
B) you dumb thumb the heli. Who then would have to pay for it? I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 08:32 AM  14 years ago
Trooper Sam

rrVeteran

Perris, California - USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
If I were to even be good enough to help in setting up somebody else's heli, which I decidedly am not yet, I would make it very clear right up front that the liability must be with the owner.

I would not put myself in a position where I might be buying parts depending on somebody else's ability to build a helicopter.
Trooper Sam

We do not do this to save money, we save money to do this-TheRickster
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 08:33 AM  14 years ago
Thomashome

rrVeteran

West Sussex UK

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Wouldn't let anyone fly one of my helis and wouldn't fly anyone elses.

But I have let people fly my planes, I have the opinion that if I let someone fly one of my models and they crash it then I take responsibility and pay for it.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 08:47 AM  14 years ago
Lorents

rrElite Veteran

Oslo, Norway

MyPosts All Forum Topic
If I asked somebody to try my model to see how well it flies and it went down it would feel natural for me to pay for the damage. The other guy is after all doing me a favour. It happened to me once and both of us wanted to pay for the damage so we debated for a while before we found a solution

If someone asked me if he could try my heli and it went down I guess it would be him paying for the damage.


What comes around goes around.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 09:06 AM  14 years ago
KC

rrElite Veteran

WA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
easy

a) builder
b) pilot
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 09:52 AM  14 years ago
ghettoflyer

rrApprentice

LAS VEGAS,NV USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
tough question, but at our field or amoung the pilots, if i ask to fly your heli and it crashes, the repairs are mine since i ask to fly "your" heli. now if i ask some one to test fly, check out my heli and it crashes i would pay because i ask this other pilot to test fly it. it has happened to me where i ask someone to test my heli beacuse i had a problem with perhaps a weak/bad servo. well the heli crashed. my repairs/replacement, because i asked him to fly my heli. i was lucky in asking a good pilot with a good heart. when i went to get my heli and he told me what happened, true i felt bad but the servo was bad and caused the heli to crash, he gave me his heli, which i still fly today. but this pilot is good hearted and replaced it because he said he did not want to see me without a heli to fly. so i got a 50v2 from him. i did not want to take it since the crash was not a result of his flyng ability. but this question is hard to answer.

jerry
las vegas,nv
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 10:23 AM  14 years ago
rickc

rrElite Veteran

Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

MyPosts All Forum Topic
I think if the cause of the crash was dumb thumbs then who ever was flying should pay, if it was mechanical then the owner should pay.Rick
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 10:55 AM  14 years ago
Bad Karma

rrVeteran

UK

MyPosts All Forum Topic
B) you dumb thumb the heli. Who then would have to pay for it? I just want to hear everyone's opinion on this.
I think if the cause of the crash was dumb thumbs then who ever was flying should pay, if it was mechanical then the owner should pay.
b) pilot
What if the heli is a contributing factor to the dumb thumb........
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 11:09 AM  14 years ago
Tigerclaw

rrNovice

Essex. UK

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Don't inderstand what "dumb thumb" is but, I just had my heli set up and test flown by a friend at the field. Now, I've seen his abilities, and was confident that he would do his best not to crash it. He didn't. It was an understanding from the very beginning that if anything went wrong and the heli crashed it was MY responsiblity, my cost for repairs.

To save any bad feeling or arguements later between the owner and the test pilot, it's ALWAYS a good idea to come to an agreement first. In my case it worked out perfectly. I had to pay for some replacement parts but hey, I've now got a nice flying Raptor.

Tony
Raptor 30v1 O.S.MAX-32SX-H + JR9xII
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 11:16 AM  14 years ago
JAGNZ

rrProfessor

Auckland, New Zealand

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Easy - set the rules BEFORE the bird even spools up.
Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 11:22 AM  14 years ago
Lorents

rrElite Veteran

Oslo, Norway

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Hmm, maybe a "You ask, you pay" sticker on the flight case would do the job?
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 11:55 AM  14 years ago
w.pasman

rrElite Veteran

Netherlands

MyPosts All Forum Topic
as said, normal practice is "who asks, pays" but not everyone may know this rule
So agree on what will be done in case of accidents/problems beforehand
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 12:15 PM  14 years ago
Gaza07

rrNovice

Nottingham Uk

MyPosts All Forum Topic
had this at my local club a new leccy plane flyer asked me to test / trim his new model
i said i would but did he know that i couldnt be held responsable if some thing went wrong and he said he knew and was ok with it
i tested the model and trimmed it and it flew very well and didnt take much trimming
i went to pass him the tx and he said give it some test it properly i said are you sure and he replied yes
well i chucked it about a bit then lost all radio control the plane smacked into the ground quite hard and broke
i felt so bad never happened to me b4 i was gutted i didnt know what to say to the guy
he just looked at me and said oh well must have been summat wrong with it glad it happened to you and not me
i still felt realy bad for weeks tho funny but he hasnt asked me to test fly another since
the only thing we could see that could have made it loose control was the fact his battery pack quite a large nimh pack could have moved
altho after the crash this was hard to verify

moral of the story make sure you agree the rules b4 you fly any thing for some one
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 12:36 PM  14 years ago
crphillips

rrApprentice

Leeds, Yorkshire, UK

MyPosts All Forum Topic
I've set up and flown people's heli's. I've never crashed another person's heli but i always make it clear that i'm there to try and help avoid a crash but if it happens then i am no way liable for paying for it.

I think anyone who asks someone to help with their heli.....either in setting up, maiden flight, advanced tuition in flying.....whatever the reason, they should expect to pay for their own heli if it's unfortunate enough to crash.
Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 01:43 PM  14 years ago
Havoc

rrElite Veteran

Ky.

MyPosts All Forum Topic
I've test flown several. Had a few helis go nuts on me but got most of those down with no or minor damage. I think in every case the owner knew something was wrong and was just happy it didn't happen to them. I tell them before I even fly it that I'm not responsible no matter what happens. That way I don't need to argue with them if the crash was mechanical or thumbs. If I really dumb thumb one I'd probably feel obligated to pay but I'm not going to tell them that before I fly it or they might try to come back and say it was a dumb thumb when it was really mechanical.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 02:14 PM  14 years ago
bmcgrady

rrApprentice

Sylacauga, AL

MyPosts All Forum Topic
I agree with some of the earlier comments. Generally, if YOU ask to fly someone else's aircraft, and you crash, then you pay. If someone else asks YOU to fly their aircraft, and you crash, then they pay. w.pasman said it best... "who asks, pays".
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 02:14 PM  14 years ago
Chopper

rrKey Veteran

Stow,Oh- oops, I mean St Louis, nope Stow again,

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Just because someone else has their hands on the transmiter, it is still your model. If the owner asks someone to fly a model, then the owner pays for ALL damage. If the guy dumb thumbs the heli into the ground, the responsibility is still with the owner to find a qualified pilot. If the owner did not find a qualified pilot, he then pays for his error.

In all cases, the owner should pay for the damages. The only exception would be if someone wanted to borrow or use a heli, or engine, or something similar. One would expect it to come back in the same shape as it left.
Paul Soha is a free agent now. Wow.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 02:32 PM  14 years ago
vince

rrApprentice

Victoria BC Canada

MyPosts All Forum Topic
A test flight is a whole lot differnet then beating the crap out of someones heli.
A test flight would be something like a few mellow pull outs right side up and a few inverted. A mellow loop and a roll and some backwards inverted passes and maybe mellow auto. If something fails in a soft flight ohh well its the owners bird.
If it crashes do to a dumb thumbs I would think the guy that crashed it would step up top the plate and admit that he crashed your heli do to his being stupid flying.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 02:38 PM  14 years ago
Havoc

rrElite Veteran

Ky.

MyPosts All Forum Topic
No, a test flight can be anything. Whatever the owner asks. They usually want to see if it will hold up so they have more confidence in their machine. They want to see if the engine is set up right and is reliable. You don't see how low you can get it but other then that you are looking for problems and limits.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-06-2006 02:45 PM  14 years ago
rckrzy1

rrElite Veteran

Hurst Texas

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Best to find a REP to test fly your bird. That way if things go wrong he can say it was a test flight and get parts for cheap. Most reps
won't dumb thumb someone elses heli.


Wildcat Fuels
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 2275 views Post Reply
Home✈️Aircraft🚁HelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › Who has to pay for it...?
Print TOPIC

 11  Topic Subscribe

Monday, November 30 - 2:08 pm - Copyright © 2000-2020 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online