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09-05-2006 11:18 PM  14 years ago
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Bellypopper

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Airskipper - Good for 3D?
Hi All,

Have been reading some posts on anothere forum, which suggests the Airskipper 50 is not a good heli for 3D. It would appear that the AS is better doing circuits and FAI type stuff.

As I have one of these that I have just built, I am wondering if there is any truth in this. Is anyone here using an Airskipper for 3D? If so how does it perform?

Since I have just sold my Sceadu Evo 50, the AS is the only 50 size I have for learning 3D......hope I haven't made a mistake

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Russ
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09-05-2006 11:43 PM  14 years ago
Envision

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I captured Rob Giles on video with an Airskipper 50 this last weekend. Small video, I'll only have it online a few days so get it while you can. Airskipper 50 10.6mb
This was at CAMS fly-in, Cadillac, MI. Mostly planes.
Quite mellow from what I normally see him do, he usually does the same stuff with this as he does the vibe.

Troy
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09-06-2006 02:56 AM  14 years ago
Envision

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Bump... Video link now given above.
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09-06-2006 09:08 AM  14 years ago
Nightstalker

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i dont (well cant) do 3D flying but they way the airskipper 50 flys i think its agreat helicopter for FAI, i have seen a vid of some giving an airskipper 50 some hardcore 3D flying, il try and find it again and post it here
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09-06-2006 08:08 PM  14 years ago
JR_Vibefreak

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Yep they are Smooth in 3D but if you put OS 70 on AS 50
it will fly like hell!
GIXXER4LIFE Philipp
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09-07-2006 08:22 PM  14 years ago
RobGiles(JR)

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Cool video.....That heli looks really familiar.....Pardon the calm flying, but that was only about the 4th flight on that model, and I still have not put the 3-D padels or hyper 50 engine in it. This model is running a standard OS-50 and it is box stock. I have found that the overall setup out of the box is very gratifying, and I feel that there are really no required upgrades for the Airskipper. I have found that the stock padels are not quite as responsive as I like(for fast 3-D maneuvers, chaos, etc...)however I must say that it is in fact the smoothest 50 ive ever flown. The kit is reasonably priced, I beleive right around $500 US Dollars. The canopy is custom, as I ordered the unpainted version of the canopy. The standard kit comes with a very nicely pre-painted white body, with decals to add at the pilots discression. Let me know what you guys think about this model, and if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks for posting Troy. Regards,

Rob Giles
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09-07-2006 08:56 PM  14 years ago
Bellypopper

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Rob,

Nice flying.. would be interested to know what dampers you are using, as the stock ones seem really soft.

Cheers
Russ
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09-07-2006 10:57 PM  14 years ago
RobGiles(JR)

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Bellpopper,

Believe it or not I am using the stock dampners. Though I have also noticed they do seem small. As I stated before, I have only put about 4 flights on that model, so I have not yet seen how quickly they will wear down. I do know there are stiffer dampners, and I believe Scott Gray makes and actual O-Ring combination similar to the Vigor/Vibe setup, in which you combine a stiff dampner with a soft dampner on each grip. You may want to check his website, along with horizon's. http://www.sgproducts.com(Scott Gray) http://www.horizonhobby.com(JR)
Regards,

Rob Giles
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09-08-2006 08:07 AM  14 years ago
BlueGarry1

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Hi Rob
I've got two AS50's and love em both. Both have OS50 Hyper's installed, one with an Hatori 3D pipe and the other with a Zimmerman. The Hatori is more powerful, but the Zimmerman is a little bit quieter. Both fly really well with the stock dampers installed and I've had no problems.

I use'd Futaba 9252's on one machine and JR 8231's on the other but I've not really noticed much difference between the two. I use Radix blades on one machine and SAB blades on the other. Both seem to suit the machine and auto really well.

I Use CSM720 gyro's and Revlock 20 Governor's on both heli's, and both give fantastic performance. Oh yeah, there is one other thing, I found that I got better tail performance by fitting an alloy boom mount for the tail servo and a carbon pushrod. I got mine complete from Quick UK, and it was'nt expensive.

You don't seem to have to worry too much about upgrading parts on the Airskipper, as like you said, It flies pretty well straight out of the box.

Regards

Garry
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09-08-2006 08:19 AM  14 years ago
Bellypopper

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Hi Garry,

Thanks for the info.. what sort of flying are you doing with it?

On your heli's, is the damping very soft? - mine is and I am worried about a boomstrike! I have also noticed that there is in/out movement on the main bladegrips. This could be normal & due to the thrust races, but it does seem excessive

Ta
Russ
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09-08-2006 03:26 PM  14 years ago
BlueGarry1

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Russ.

The damping on my Airskippers is fine and gives me no problems at all.
I fly Aerobatic manouvers (sort of medium 3D) FAI and F3C patterns.

If you want to fly sort of (pull the nut's off the heli type 3D) then fit the K&s 502 replacment dampers, but unless you're really chucking the machine about, I would'nt bother.

I've got no in/out movement on the blade grips on either of my bird's.
Are you sure you've tightened down the nut's on the feathering shaft completely ?? Just a thought.

Cheers

Garry

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09-09-2006 06:32 AM  14 years ago
3dJedi

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I think the AS50 will 3d just fine but I think you will prefer different paddles over the stock ones. I am trying the rappy green paddles on mine. Another thing I've noticed is that the flybar teeter is substancially less on the AS50 over the R50. I'm not sure what effect that would have. Anyone know? I was thinking of shaving the plastic off the flybar teeter housing thingy and increasing its throw and see what happens!
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09-09-2006 02:28 PM  14 years ago
Dr.J

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Rob,

beautifully flying and a beautiful machine. For a 50, it's seems incredibly smooth. Very nice ... I'm almost tempted to gut/convert my Ergo.

John
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09-09-2006 03:45 PM  14 years ago
RobGiles(JR)

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Thanks for the kind comments. The thing i've noticed most about the AS50 compared to other 50's is how well it tracks and holds its' line across the field. It feels like a 90 in forward flight, and even the autorotation ability is uncanny. I would definatly recommend some "hotter" paddles for the 3D pilot. The stock ones are just not quite fast enough. I have also heard that many people are having great success with Raptor paddles. Perhaps I will try a set myself. Regards,

ROb Giles
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09-12-2006 09:50 AM  14 years ago
mnewhook

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I've been flying this one lately.

Its fully blinged with K&S upgrade parts, and its pretty awesome. Very fast cyclic, very stiff head. Much much better than the Raptor 50 I have back in Canada -- of course, for the cost it had better be!

That being said it doesn't hold a candle to my Vibe
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09-12-2006 10:29 AM  14 years ago
Bellypopper

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mnewhook, thanks...

What K&S bling does it have?

I find mine very slow on cyclic, what paddles are you using?

Cheers
Russ
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09-12-2006 02:34 PM  14 years ago
3dJedi

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I tried the green 3d raptor paddles and was very impressed with the cyclic. Very fast yet nice and stable. Give'em a try!
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09-12-2006 02:42 PM  14 years ago
mnewhook

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Sorry, I don't know exactly what upgrades are on it since I didn't build it. I've flown a stock AS50 a bunch of times, and I can tell you that this heli is an entirely different beast.

Minoru Kobayashi was here some time ago flying some F3C and 3D demos and he flew a very similarly configured AS50 for 3d -- except he had a carbon frame set whereas this helicopter does not.

He had a fully blinged Sylphide for his F3C flight -- and let me tell you he was INCREDIBLE. He did the absolutely coolest auto I've ever seen -- bar none!! It went something like this:

He came rocketing past the edge of quite a huge crowd at around Mach 7 and then pulled straight-up until the heli was just about out of sight. Then he hit hold and came down directly towards mother earth about 400 feet further down the runway. Just before impact he pulled out and flew down the runway, still in the auto mind-you about 2" off the deck at about 100mph directly torwards the hovering flag at the edge of the hovering box. Immediately before hitting the flag he pulled up slightly to go over it (not into it) -- flared and planted the heli directly in the center of the box. Wow!!

Re: the AS 50 I will try to get a list of upgraded parts on the heli. However, from memory (and the pic) it has:

- different paddles. I'm not entirely sure what they are, but they are plastic, very small and light. Similar to the stock Vibe paddles.
- Fully upgraded all metal swash head and grips.
- Completely different front elevator arm.
- Carbon boom and supports.
- Upgraded tail casing and lever.
- Brand new KSJ 50 sized muffler. This muffler produces lots of power.
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09-12-2006 06:04 PM  14 years ago
ASlorenz

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some photo of Airskipper 50
visite my gallery
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09-12-2006 08:59 PM  14 years ago
Dr.J

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Has anyone had both an Ergo 50 and this new Airskipper 50 and if so, can you tell me how they compare?

Also, does the Aiskipper have a carbon frame option and if so, where are they available and what are they worth?

thanks,

John
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