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09-05-2006 08:24 PM  14 years ago
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Looking for a KKK R22
Does anyone have a KKK R22 heli for sale or trade?
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11-14-2006 06:40 AM  14 years ago
Hughes500Pilot

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You interested in a KKK Hughes 300? -Steve
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11-15-2006 07:33 PM  14 years ago
NicheRotors

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I have one that I bought second hand nine years ago; it was the glow version witha locked OS .50. I might consider a sale if the price is right - let me know if you want to see some pictures.

My current interest is with the Bell 47 as can be seen below:

http://www.fraser-ker.com/neasham/Section_E.htm

Regards John
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11-16-2006 07:49 AM  14 years ago
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Given the number of PM’s I’ve received in the last 24 hours I have prepared the following information with some pictures to share with all interested parties.

The helicopter is in good shape considering its age – production stopped around the end of the 80’s. Although it’s been indoors in dry conditions some of the fasteners have discoloured and may be a bit rusty. The ABS plastic body was not painted, except for the orange stripes, so the white has also discoloured. Interestingly, the OS 50 has survived the worst. It was used for about 1.5 hours which was enough for it to have seized after many years of no use and no after run oil!

Nothing about the helicopter is missing or cracked. It currently doesn't have any radio gear in it so I can tell that all the bell cranks are smooth. The head is unmarked but the white heat shrink covering on the blades may look a bit tatty to some. The drive train is fine.

To get into flight worthy condition I would:

- replace all the fasteners (whether they look okay or not)
- replace all the bearings and lube the tail gearbox
- replace the plumbing
- install a new engine
- install radio equipment

To make it a hangar queen I would:

- replace white heat shrink with black (my favourite for scale ships)
- strip paint
- paint fuselage
- decorate the interior

If I had the time – which I sadly don’t because I’ve been distracted with my love of Bell 47’s I would:

- re design the frames of the chassis to be made out of carbon fibre to allow more space inside the cabin
- decorate the cabin with more detail
- remould the cabin - I have the plans for the kit and when compared with those of the full-size there is only one area of deviation that I can tell. That is with the location of the front undercarriage cross strut – on the model it should be about an inch further forward than it is. This is the reason why I wanted to re-mould the cabin.
- mould the glass and produce a new one for a crystal clear look.

The ‘right’ price is always a subjective thing. I’ve always liked this helicopter since Steve Mintz won the US scale nationals several years running in the mid to late 1980’s. Did you ever see the one I mean? So, in terms of price – taking into account what I had to pay for it many years after production ceased – I would struggle to let it go for less than GBP 3,300. In USD that equates to close to 6,200.

Enjoy the pictures, regards John
http://www.nicherotors.com

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11-16-2006 10:17 AM  14 years ago
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Sorry but $6200 is WAY out of my price range.
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11-18-2006 10:21 PM  14 years ago
DenisS

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Ha Ha Ha I gave mine away a couple of years ago in exchange for some Hirobo bell 47 bits. I'd converted to ECCPM with all the servos around the mainshaft. The guy I gave it to has done nothing with it since. I had the OS 60 in and it flew great. £ 3 300 ha ha If you get that for it let me know-I'll claim mine back and sell it.
I won the Scale nationals with it in about 1993 in South Africa.
I have an origainal Schluter Huey Cobra in flying condition- anybody want to offer me £ 3000 for that?????????
Denis
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11-19-2006 08:50 AM  14 years ago
NicheRotors

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A discussion about the value of some of these antiques can get subjective and emotive quite quickly.

If its complete, irrespective of radio equipment and engine, I wouldn’t throw it out – or at least give me a call first!!

I’m not suggesting that a GMP Cricket for example, where they made thousands, is ever going to be worth much but it will have a sentimental value to many particularly in N America and specifically in Southern California where they were made.

The market for these antiques just isn’t deep enough to get an accurate price and ebay, which I’ve been watching since its inception, doesn’t provide much guidance. Quite simply some of these relics just don’t get put up for sale that often.

With my KKK Robinson it took me 18 months to convince the man that he wanted to sell it – let alone to me. It is decorated in the colour scheme that he used to fly to train people out of Redhill here in Surrey, UK. During my initial five year search, admittedly pre the adoption of the Internet, I just could not find anyone with a complete machine.

Some observations over the last 10 years:

- rapid rise in the number of people who can now fly r/c helicopters,
- rapid rise in asset prices – the value of money has changed substantially, and
- rise in the number of people who believe ownership is 9/10th’s of the fun

Therefore, some of the antiques that are complete, but you wouldn’t dare fly them for fear of wearing something out or crashing, are going to fetch a healthy price.

I’m sure we’ve all met people who would dearly love to own one of the original Hirobo 1/5.25 scale Lama’s but how many really change hands!? I believe only 500 were ever made.

If anyone can find a tidy R22 let me know – I have the cash waiting.

Anyone willing to post any other real life transactions and prices?

Regards, John
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11-19-2006 10:23 AM  14 years ago
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NicheRotors, I am sorry I could not give you $6200 for your heli.
I was looking for one to restore and fly, not be a hanger queen. I work on R22 and I like the rotor head on the KKK model.
If anyone can find a tidy R22 let me know – I have the cash waiting.
I thought I was the one on this post looking for a KKK R22.

With the kind of money you'll drop on one of these I'll never see one!
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11-19-2006 01:14 PM  14 years ago
NicheRotors

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Don't worry I've many other projects ahead of the queue.

Now if I did have some 'proper' money I would dearly like a CAD/CAM company to use the KKK head as a pattern to making a few reproductions. Now that would be fun to see on the Century kit.

A beautiful piece of engineering - best of luck with your quest and please post some pictures when you have finished.

J.
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