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09-04-2006 04:39 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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c'mon... call me a hacker... i'm waiting
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09-04-2006 04:39 PM  14 years ago
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How does ws23xx make you a "true" hacker?
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09-04-2006 04:40 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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Mark's statement summarizes quite well what I'm referring to! Mark is not a "true" hacker.
From what I know about Mark, he took on RR without much programming experience at all and has turned it into (Mark please correct me if I'm wrong) his primary source of income.

Fumbling blindly in territory you're unfamilar with == hacking in my book
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09-04-2006 04:43 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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With ws23xx I literally had to watch the bits going back and forth between my La Crosse weather station and its horribly written windows frontend.

Once I got the data captured I then had to analysis it, break out the BCD encoded bits, most of which were spread across nibbles.

That library was the bane of my existence for a good 3 months back in 2003 ... Just ask the wife
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09-04-2006 04:47 PM  14 years ago
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Now we're talking ... "hacker"!!!! So you took this "weather station" (sorry, I know nothing about La Crosse) product and hacked-your way into it for the benefit of others. Was that so hard to say!???

P.S. Mark's still not a "true" hacker. He's a programmer!
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09-04-2006 04:49 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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/me checks his pulse... gets a read on his blood pressure... finally peace.

Thanks for the compliment man. I know it was hard coming, but I do appreciate it.

BTW - I learned cod scripting by reviewing CoDAM code.
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09-04-2006 04:51 PM  14 years ago
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From what I know about Mark, he took on RR without much programming experience at all and has turned it into (Mark please correct me if I'm wrong) his primary source of income.
Mark Ryder
Please support RR with a Sustaining Membership.
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09-04-2006 04:53 PM  14 years ago
RCfan

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That makes Mark an entrepreneur (and a quick learner), but not a hacker.
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09-04-2006 05:02 PM  14 years ago
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ya know, as crazy as this thread went, I think it really does capture the real golden age folks definition of hacker.

I do use the true definition a bit looser than RCFan. At work (my role now is really more on a consultant basis than that of an actual coder) the highest compliment I can give a developer on a project is calling them a hack.

Mark... you're a hacker in my book.

Shell

[editted for non gender specific references ... afterall COBOL was written by a woman]
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09-04-2006 05:18 PM  14 years ago
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It's also funny to see how folks still think of hackers as kids. Indeed, when first started, hackers were mostly kids. We've "grown" up (well, at least "old" )!!!

In the workplace, hacker is used way too loosely. An expert (or guru) is usually considered a hack in the workplace since he/she is capable of producing things that others, without the experience, background or perhaps time, can easily achieve. Is that really hacking or the case of having the required "knowledge" at the right place and time??!!

In my book a "true" hacker is someone that voluntarily takes on something he/she knows nothing about ... usually because it's challenging, sometimes because they want to expand it's capabilities. He/she performs necessary research, creates tools and documents findings so that him/her-self (and maybe others) can take advantage of those new capabilities.
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09-04-2006 05:31 PM  14 years ago
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In my book a "true" hacker is someone that voluntarily takes on something he/she knows nothing about ... usually because it's challenging, sometimes because they want to expand it's capabilities. He/she performs necessary research, creates tools and documents findings so that him/her-self (and maybe others) can take advantage of those new capabilities.
I agree with that, but would like to add something that I feel sets hackers apart from regular employees:
Hackers usually have a very broad base of knowledge to stand on. Not knowing exactly how "Thing-of-a-jing 2.0" works isn't as big of a problem for them, as they know all the underlying technologies that it's built on, and therefor can deduce how it works _a lot_ faster than the average employee.

/James
Hi! I'm a .signature virus!, copy me to your signature to help me spread!
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09-04-2006 05:38 PM  14 years ago
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I wouldn't go as far as claiming to know all underlying technologies. I sure don't know them all!!!! However, there's is a very good understanding of how computer/hardware/electronic/mechanical systems work together and have good ability to extrapolate from other similar systems.
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09-04-2006 05:51 PM  14 years ago
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guru is the term I struggle with. In my experience our "gurus" are the ones that find a niche and build completely incomprehensible solutions upon it, typically for the sake of job security.
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09-04-2006 08:17 PM  14 years ago
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The ethics of hacking
True hackers are intelligent, they have to be. Either they do really
great in school because they have nothing better to do, or they don't do so
good because school is terribly boring. And the ones who are bored aren't that
way because they don't give a sh*t about learning anything. A true hacker wants
to know everything. They're bored because schools teach the same dulll things
over and over and over, nothing new, nothing challenging.
True hackers are curious and patient. If you aren't, how can you work
so very hard hacking away at a single system for even one small PEEK at what
may be on it?
A true hacker DOESN'T get into the system to kill everything or to sell
what he gets to someone else. True hackers want to learn, or want to satisfy
their curiosity, that's why they get into the system. To search around inside
of a place they've never been, to explore all the little nooks and crannies
of a world so unlike the boring cess-poll we live in. Why destroy something
and take away the pleasure you had from someone else? Why bring down the
whole world on the few true hackers who aren't cruising the phone lines with
malicious intent?
True hackers are disgusted at the way things are in this world. All the
wonderful technology of the world costs three arms and four legs to get these
days. It costs a fortune to call up a board in an adjoining stats! So why
pay for it? To borrow something from a file I will name later, why pay for
what could be "dirt cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons"?
Why be forced, due to lack of the hellacious cash flow it would reuqire to
call all the great places, to stay around a bunch of schmuck losers in your
home town? Calling out and entering a system you've never seen before are
two of the most exhilirating experiences known to man, but it is a pleasure
that could not be enjoyed were it not for the ability to phreak...
True hackers are quiet. I don't mean they talk at about .5 dB, I mean
they keep their mouths shut and don't brag. The number one killer of those
the media would have us call hackers is bragging. You tell a friend, or you
run your mouth on a board, and sooner or later people in power will find out
what you did, who you are, and you're gone...
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09-04-2006 08:38 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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Now that is a real hacker. Thanks Pete.
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