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09-04-2006 07:14 AM  14 years ago
Mark Ryder

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I'm hacking away at the PM system. Mark Ryder
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09-04-2006 07:20 AM  14 years ago
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then I'm a 35 year old kid who has been doing software and network engineering professionally
Then call yourself that. That is an actual skill. Calling yourself a hacker makes you sound like a kid. I meet the hacker def but I'm not going to label myself a hacker because its cheesy. IMHO. I just don't think it is a selling point to come across as a kid with a Matthew Broderick poster from WarGames on your wall.
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09-04-2006 07:20 AM  14 years ago
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LOL so does that mean that I hack my site when I use code to make updates???


LMAO i found this funny
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09-04-2006 07:24 AM  14 years ago
Jim C

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Matthew Broderick poster from WarGames on your wall.
ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!
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09-04-2006 07:28 AM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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Are you familar with FIDO Net? or WWIV? How about Berkeley sockets? I think you're confusing schools of thought....

At the very least you're clouding the age groups. Much like the media took a perfectly good word (in the IT world still considered a compliment amongst developers) and completely bastardized it.
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09-04-2006 07:42 AM  14 years ago
Havoc

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Yes it's been bastardized. It's been bastardized for twenty years. We can agree on that. But now Hacker is to the computer world what wigger is to... never mind. I don't think you can change that here on RR. Gay once just meant happy. Things change.
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09-04-2006 07:49 AM  14 years ago
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Interesting you mention that.

In Jr. High I went to Harlingen, Tx Gay Jr. High. It was named after a little old lady who left an endowment to the city when she passed away.

The named changed a couple years back to "Gay Memorial".
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09-04-2006 08:05 AM  14 years ago
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I just can't leave this one alone....

Ask a Brit for a fag and you'll get a cigarette.

Tell a Brit your name is Randy and they'll laugh to no end.

Tell a Brit your pissed and they'll ask if you need help out of the pub.
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09-04-2006 02:47 PM  14 years ago
quattrokid73

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shell dude, i dont think you are a n00b. its sick to have a job like that and use hax and be 1337 at the same time.

sorry had to use more leet speek...

but yeah, sounds like ur job rocks.

adam!
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09-04-2006 03:14 PM  14 years ago
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LOL, this whole thread is!!!!

Hacking is more than just knowing how to program, having knowledge of subsytems or writing scripts based on other folk's work. Out-of-box thinking does not make you a hacker, simply denotes that you have skills probably acquired by formal education. Hackers see everything about the box, inside, outside, through it, backwards, forwards and beyond.

Real hackers don't "claim" they are that, they demonstrate it by actual work and achievements. ShellDude, you mentioned running CoD servers, then you've heard of one of my achievements, CoDaM; and perhaps MAM for MoHAA. If you've ever heard of NeXT, then lookup who did the first dual-motherboard cube. Latest achievements include hacking into Futaba's 14MZ radios (and soon the 12Z).

So, you're a real hacker, show us what you've accomplished!!!!
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09-04-2006 03:59 PM  14 years ago
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RCFan... if you wrote CoDam then I stole one of your subroutines for doing some string parsing once... and gave ya credit for it.

Synman -- I was the guy that threw together ClanBalance
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09-04-2006 04:01 PM  14 years ago
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Go back 4 years in CIO magazine... you'll see my employer was recognized as the best of the best.

That little Customer Service system that won us that award was architected and written by yours truly

Here's one of my "famous" quotes for a not so famous, but by far the most fault tolerant, piece of hardware ever designed:

http://www.stratusoft.com/Customers.html

This is fun... please don't take this as me being overly boastful or pigheaded, etc. I really am a modest guy, but ya called me out so I have no choice:

http://weather.shellware.com/weather.aspx
http://www.shellware.com/Projects/ws23xx/ws23xx.aspx
http://www.shellware.com/projects/m...mediavault.aspx

I can pull up a bunch of other stuff but hopefully this is enough to level the field for ya.

Shell
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09-04-2006 04:12 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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oh

and two more accomplishments worthy of mentioning...


http://www.qvc.co.uk
http://www.qvc.de

Guess who wrote all the backend connectivity stuff between our IIS servers (hosted here in the States believe it or not) and a couple HP 9000s sitting over in Liverpool and Bochum?
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09-04-2006 04:15 PM  14 years ago
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LMAO.... Does work I did in the early 90s count too?
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09-04-2006 04:16 PM  14 years ago
RCfan

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Hmm, taking other folk's work and "throwing" something together does not a "hacker" make you (script-kiddie it does). Developing a system when you're getting paid to do that (i.e. your job), does not a "hacker" make you. The links you post above show you are a skilled programmer with a very good educational background, however, none show you to be a "hacker".

Not really trying to call you out here, but just because you can program or develop a product does not qualify you as a hacker. I think that's what some of the folks' comments are about in this thread.
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09-04-2006 04:23 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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Download the source to ws23xx and tell me I'm not a hacker... all the shellware.com references are work I did on my own time.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you. If you want to be a d*ck about it, that's fine.

Oh and I'm completely insulted that you'd insinuate that I'm taking credit for someone else's work. Your statement is completely untrue and borders slander.
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09-04-2006 04:27 PM  14 years ago
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Example of hacking:

Not being happy with the coffe that is dispensed out of the machine next to you office, and rewiring the darned thing to achive something at least resembling coffe..

Example of working:
Building a custom linux distribution (yes, from source) to turn old "useless" PCs into thin clients, saving the schools in that particular country millions.

Both cool, but I got paid for one, so I wouldn't regard it as hacking. Although it has raised a couple of eyebrows. Betcha I'm still on WYSEs hitlist..

/James
Hi! I'm a .signature virus!, copy me to your signature to help me spread!
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09-04-2006 04:30 PM  14 years ago
ShellDude

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precisely slow. When I got ahold of those HPs (they were 3000s at the time) they had a very meager TCP/IP stack to work from. All of that stuff was built from the ground up.

And the Stratus stuff... it was tied to our S/390 mainframe via token ring before I got involved.

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Even with all the professional stuff, I think the best example of my "hacking" is the communications library where I literally "hacked" La Crosse's horrible rs232 based protocol using SysInternal's portmon.
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09-04-2006 04:35 PM  14 years ago
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ShellDude, no one is accusing you of anything, so please chill man. Simply trying to correct certain perceptions about what a "true" hacker is versus someone calling themselves a "hacker". Sorry, but nothing you've shown places you in the "true" hacker category. You are probably a skilled programmer. While it's possible that your skills can be put to use in "real" hacking, you don't seem to have really done anything like that. No reason to be upset about it.
I'm hacking away at the PM system.
Mark's statement summarizes quite well what I'm referring to! Mark is not a "true" hacker.
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09-04-2006 04:35 PM  14 years ago
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I should also add that after being in the field as a professional for the better part of 18 years now, I've just now decided to go to college to get my General Business degree.

So you didn't look at ws23xx, did ya?
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