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07-23-2006 03:39 PM  14 years ago
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X30pilot

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Who is flying a 4S set up?
Who is flying a 4S set up?
What motor and pinion combination are you running?
Are you happy with it?
I am looking to set up a Swift for sport flying and mild 3D.
I don't really need the mind blowing power of a 6S setup.

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07-23-2006 04:50 PM  14 years ago
Ben-T-Spindle

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A 4s setup in a swift is not very impressive. It’s good for learning to hover, forward flight and has limited sport aerobatic potential. In my opinion it’s not really that good for learning 3D.

The most popular setup now days is a 7s eMoli setup. Good for learning 3D on a budget.


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07-23-2006 04:55 PM  14 years ago
Ben-T-Spindle

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A 6s setup is not even close to a mind-blowing power. You have to get to an 8s or more before you get to a performance that will not bog down if you fly real hard 3D.... BTS
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07-23-2006 05:47 PM  14 years ago
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You can do some pretty hard 3d with a good 6s setup, going 8s or more on a swift kinda defeats the purpose of buying a swift in the first place, going 8s really pumps up the battery budget. My setup with the new flightpower 6s1p 3700 can pull 1376watts pretty dam good for a 6s, and with my limited 3d skills I cannot bog it down.Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.
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07-23-2006 08:03 PM  14 years ago
SRH990

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The Swift on the new Flightpower NF 6S packs is great, beats 4S any day.Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4
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07-23-2006 09:23 PM  14 years ago
coolice

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Hey,

I agree with Wedge and there are some good videos to backup the Swift performance on a 6s setup.

Anymore than 6s and you'll incur weight penalties where the machine will loose some of it's nimble handing slinging all that weight around on it's belly.
This is more apparent on the Swift as you only have a small rotor disk and hence the more weight you carry the more disk loading there is.

Personally I found the 4s setup very good, but this was using the New Formulation Flight Power packs and running these the model was capable of 3~4 elevator/aileron tic-tocs no trouble before the head speed started to drop. Ok you didn't have lots of power to play with should it all go wrong, but it was a good compromise between power & cost.

The Emoli route is good if your on a budget, but needs to be the stock 7s pack to keep similar performance to a 6s LiPo.
I have an Emoli in 6s which while ok is not up to the power of the Flight Power LiPo's, but it makes a good, cheap practice/test pack.
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07-23-2006 10:32 PM  14 years ago
Praha

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Hi X30pilot

I'm running 5S FP packs Tango 45-10 and 12T pinion on my Swift.
Plenty of power for my mild 3D.
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07-25-2006 02:24 PM  14 years ago
fixnfly673

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Hacker A30-8XL
Flightpower 4S1P 3700
11T pinion
CC-45

It has enough power to hover and do some mild 3D but anytime you hit the cyclic the headspeed comes way down. IMO this is a beginners setup. I have heard that it gets marginally better on a 5S pack put I plan on just upgrading to a 6S setup after Im done with crashing on a weekly basis
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07-25-2006 03:50 PM  14 years ago
X30pilot

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Gentlemen,

Thank you for all your input. It appears that most people are running a 6S set up.
I did notice on Swift –Tuning.com that they refer to a couple of 4s setups that had reasonable performance, particularly the Orbit 20-10. Anybody running one of those here?


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07-25-2006 05:15 PM  14 years ago
djtilko

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Im using the Hyperion 3025-6 in mine and it has very good power on 4 cells especially flightpower 3700 packs! however this motor got burned out by Swifttuning, I already had purchased the motor before he concluded the testing fully with this motor, so I went down a tooth on the pinion to 10t instead of 11 and it is great so far ive had many flights with it now. My flying is just loops fast forward etc nothing too fancy! I am even going to try the motor with a 5 cell emoli pack soon so will let you know how it goes! its only rated for 4 cells but with the emolis it doesnt get a sweat on.

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07-25-2006 08:05 PM  14 years ago
X30pilot

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Djtilko

I noticed that they had the 3025-8 on 4S with a 12 tooth pinion on hold, but I didn’t see the 3025-6.
What kind of flight times are you getting and do you have any idea how hot the motor is?

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07-26-2006 09:25 AM  14 years ago
djtilko

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X30pilot

They were testing the 3025-6 before the 3025-8, and it was very impressive indeed, on 4 cells! but the motor eventually burned out and Hyperion said it was not really suitable for a helicopter! mine however has been fine on the 1 tooth less pinion (using a 10t) I get about 7-8 mins from a flightpower 3700 pack and it seems to have lots of get up and go for me!

It gets quite hot but I can hold my finger on it for a couple of seconds and there is not discoloration of the windings to indicate an imminent burn out! as I said Ive been using mine a lot must have about 40-50 flights on it now. The weather has been very hot here in the U.K lately too which is unusual, but the motor has still been fine. Maybe swifttuning had a bad one, or maybe it just got pushed too far. I would say if you are into very hard 3d forget this motor, but for more steady stuff i.e rolls loops circuits fff etc its been really good and very cheap to buy here too.

Swifty may be a little hard on the motors but hes testing em good, as the 3025-8 he was testing has also burned I think! but check it out on Swifttuning to make sure. I believe Hyperion are due to release a more suitable motor soon.

As I said I am going to try a 5 cell emoli pack with it soon, as with the flightpower 4 cell is so impressive, when I then put 4 emolis in it is lacking, due to the volt drop! Its worth a risk using an extra emoli may give me more punch and duration time on 4 emolis is around 5-6 mins, so may get the same 7-8 with an extra cell I am thinking. If it burns it burns! wouldnt try it with a flightpower 5 cell lipo though that would definately blow it.

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07-27-2006 02:53 AM  14 years ago
blackkat98

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Hey x30pilot! How've ya been?
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07-27-2006 03:52 AM  14 years ago
X30pilot

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Djtilko

Thank you, that’s some great, practical and useful information. I would say if you can touch your motor for several seconds after a flight and not change your fingerprint you're doing ok. I couldn’t touch my Align 400s after a run in the summertime and was careful to let things cool off in between flights. A 7 to 8 minute flight isn’t bad.
Just how hot has it gotten in the UK this summer?

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07-27-2006 04:06 AM  14 years ago
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blackkat98

I have been working my tail off. Currently I am scheduled to be in Shreveport on Friday night.
Let me know if you want to get together for Dinner.
Are you thinking about buying a Swift?

X30
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07-27-2006 08:33 AM  14 years ago
djtilko

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Well I tried it with the 5 cell emoli pack last night and very impressed with it! this was a test flight to try to find out if the motor would burn up, and I just kept doing full throttle climb outs to about 60ft or so, along with a couple of circuits, and the flight lasted almost 5 minutes, felt the 3025-6 straight away and it was pretty damn hot maybe 1 second with my finger on it!
Imediately after that I fitted the flightpower 3700 4 cell pack and the power seemed about the same, with the flightpower pack running a couple of mins longer, so a little more duration out of the flightpower packs.

I was so impressed with this motor on 5 cell emolis, I made four more packs up as 5 cell last night and cant wait to try them out I think it will be ok, as I was getting almost 5mins on the trial flight with lots of full stick pumping I would expect a min or 2 longer in normal flight.

When I got home took the canopy of and there is no blackening of the windings to indicate overheating, so looks promising as it was still around 30 degrees yesterday! in cooler weather things would run even better.

On re-charge of the 5 cell emoli pack It took 2600 to put back in.

Djt
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07-28-2006 01:29 AM  14 years ago
blackkat98

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Nah, I'm holding out for an e-Raptor.
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