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07-22-2006 12:01 PM  14 years ago
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The Bible is True.
The Bible, written over 1500 years, through 40 men who
God Almighty guided with HIS HOLY SPIRIT declares A LOVE
so great (From the Creator of all mankind) that HE HIMSELF
was willing to DIE in OUR PLACE that we might live with HIM.

Now you, who will not to believe the LOVE OF GOD, do not
know The Truth.

That IS THE TRUTH... GOD loves YOU!

Unbelief, disobedience, sin, rebellion etc, comes to the heart
of man who WANTS TO DO HIS OWN THING HIS OWN WAY!!!!

But think about this for a moment. God gave man a FREE WILL!

Man has the God given RIGHT to love God or NOT!

(Those of us who BELIEVE GOD know this wonderful blessing!)

If you do not wish to love God, don't sweat it man. You do not
have to love God. He doesn't FORCE you! How could HE? HE doesn't
want ROBOT love!

We, who are in the knowledge of God's love simply offer this
to you so that THE BLESSING MIGHT COME TO YOU!

You do not have to take HIS BLESSING.

But remember this: Once we are born, we WILL LIVE forever.

Somewhere.

I prefer to allow the BLOOD of Jesus to wash my sins away,
and take His RESURRECTION LIFE as My LIFE!!

In so doing, God Enables my heart to LOVE HIM!

God is ETERNAL. HE actually comes into my heart to LIVE!

I have the ETERNAL GOD living in my heart!

This is what the Bible means as ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS!

There is no stairway to heaven.

IT IS A BRIDGE DIVINE. It is only through the Son of God
the Lord Jesus Christ that any of us can have any hope
of knowing God! If there was ANY OTHER WAY, Jesus would
not have had to die in our place......


Now, you cry babies who don't want GOD, forget about HIM.
You don't have to have HIM.

It is YOUR CHOICE.

At the end of your days on the earth, and believe THIS, they
will come (!) you will WISH you'd have listened to us who
have Taken GOD at HIS WORD as delivered to us as a love letter
in the HOLY BIBLE!

I DID IT MY WAY, your song of eternity.......

You missed it.

But Hey, you got to CHOOSE...

HERE is Saint Paul's anointed take on it all:

2Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


2Cr 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:


2Cr 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.


2Cr 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.


2Cr 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.


2Cr 5:6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:


2Cr 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight


2Cr 5:8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


2Cr 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.


2Cr 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.


2Cr 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."


When the human heart finally accepts the Love of God IN Christ,
this is the Greatest Miracle in the World!

No one comes to GOD, but through the Blood of JESUS.

IS THIS MIRACLE on the Horizon of Your LIFE?

Peace.

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07-22-2006 02:29 PM  14 years ago
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Morally-impaired half-wit Byron 'helicopter' Head exposes himself yet again.op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t
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07-22-2006 03:29 PM  14 years ago
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And, just as strongly as you think the other side, "just doesn't get it", the other side thinks you "just don't get it."
The other side does not have a God who died for their sins and rose from the grave.
It is pretty arrogant of either side to think they have the right and ONLY answer and that the only path to salvation is through their religion.
The truth is the truth is the truth. What you believe about is meaningless, it is still the truth. Check it out. And majority does not rule... narrow is the path leading to life, and broad is the path to destruction. Being sincere in your belief is fine, if it is the truth. Sincere has nothing to do with it. You are sincerely wrong if they believe in salvation other than Jesus.
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07-22-2006 03:36 PM  14 years ago
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helicopter
If the Bible is true, then explain..
Noah collected all the animals... How did he get the penguins, platapus, and other uniquely type of animals that lived where man hadn't gone or even knew about ???
The case against politicians simply is that when they legislate for all men, they always omit themselves
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07-22-2006 03:56 PM  14 years ago
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Whether it's true or not (I doubt it is, in fact, I'd bet money it isn't), I can tell you one thing. Religion, and the things done in the name of Jesus, Allah, or whoever else you want to intone is the single worst thing in the world today. Religion is crap. 99.99999% percent of it is made up and was written for the purpose of crowd control, and to justify things that could not be explained through the limited scientific knowledge of the day, and the brutal nature of man. Waging wars in the name of whatever deity you happened to be taught to follow is wrong, no matter what the higher powers in your religion, country, or group told you. It's wrong. It's wrong to hate others because they've chosen to follow a different made up character than you.

May as well declare war on Brazil because they don't watch Scooby Doo. It has the same level of validity as any religious war. Personally, I hate my neighbor because he dislikes Transformers, where I collected all the toys when I was growing up. It has EXACTLY the same validity as anyone hating Muslims or any other religion, it just lacks the centuries of history that the religious arguments have behind them.

If there IS a God (which I believe there is) He, She or It is horribly disappointed in any of you who follow the teachings and ideals that make you hate another group of people. I don't care what religion you've decided to latch onto, if you look down on Muslims and pass along ignorant, narrow minded racist views on them, you are disappointing whatever higher power there is out there. It's amazing to think that some of the people out there who think like that are parents and are teaching their kids that hate.

I'm sure I'll get some nice flames saying that I'm sacreligious and other wonderful things, but in the end, if I am deluding myself by believing in a higher power the way that years of torture in Catholic School taught me to believe (loving, forgiving, and kind father figure), at least I live a better life for it, minus all the preaching and hatred that some others have attached to a belief. Maybe SOME followers of some sects of Islam are violent, that does not mean that all are.


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Nick Crego
The best most logical post I have read in a long time about religion and its outlook, etc.

Awesome logical post Nick. thanks!
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07-22-2006 04:02 PM  14 years ago
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Thanks Caliber
It seems we are beginning to be surrounded by a cloud
of witness's not afraid to speak up for the things of Christ.
Thank you dear friend!

You know Gman, Gfan or what ever...You already have one
foot in the deep dark grave as you continue to MISS the calling
of GOD and His Great Love FOR YOU in our biblical exposition.

Amazingly, the sound of your monicker is reflectant of your passing...

God allows suffering to BRING the importance of HIS love into
some lives!

If this is SO in your life and the life of a loved one,
then it is God's PERFECT vision. (Perhaps HE knows already
that there is only ONE way to reach your heart with HIS
MIRACLE.

Keep on denying THE FACT that my God, Our GOD LOVES YOU!

....And see where that DECISION gets you.

I recommend http://www.billygraham.com as your earliest convenience!

Next Q, oh, the animals......


Have a nice day, as we focus on the REALLY important thing
THE RESURRECTION from the dead.

Peace dudes,


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07-22-2006 04:05 PM  14 years ago
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Morally-impaired half-wit Byron 'helicopter' Head exposes himself yet again.op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t
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07-22-2006 04:42 PM  14 years ago
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If the Bible is true, then explain..
Noah collected all the animals... How did he get the penguins, platapus, and other uniquely type of animals that lived where man hadn't gone or even knew about ???
The animals came to Noah.
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07-22-2006 05:19 PM  14 years ago
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Caliber1,

You can repeat "the truth is the truth is the truth" all you want but religion has nothing to do with the truth - it has to do with belief and faith.

The 1.2 billions Muslims also think "the truth is the truth is the truth" and they are just as sure about their position as you are.

As for your other comment:
The other side does not have a God who died for their sins and rose from the grave.
For the other side the truth is: "There is no God but Allah."

If neither side is willing to compromise in their "truths", then violence and conflict is inevitable. It's the old schoolyard fight; "my dad can beat up your dad. Oh Yeah, mine can beat up yours."

Either the two sides accept that their dads don't have to beat each other up, or we are going to have a big fight.

The only truth is that compromise is necessary for peace.

BTW, most Muslims and Christians can and have lived together in peace. The militant and extreme groups who engage in violence and promote violence, will have to be arrested, tried, and convicted.
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07-22-2006 06:02 PM  14 years ago
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Lets take it to the TOP.
The First post of this TITLE
was on board with the important Q!

The ALLAH god wants that people group to KILL christians
and get a ticket to 73 virgins in ALLAH's marvelous heaven.

Q2 What happens to the horny cats at the 74th day?.....

The God Of the Bible, sent His One and Only son to DIE
for the sins of mankind.


Now lets see, what a bummer, he died........


OH Then the Resurrection.

Which of these god's is the Correct GOD?

If you answer NEITHER, you didn't see the billygraham page did ya?

Here's more of THE WORD:

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

That is GOD TALKING TO YOU>!

Once you BELIEVE HIM, He will show you the next step!

STEP UP TO FAITH. READ the BIBLE. LET IT SPEAK to YOU.

(Don't allow forgone conclusions you already have in your
little pee sized brain to confuse you silly wabbit.)

HOW IS MAN SAVED from DEATH and SIN?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


In Closing, I say again, IT IS A MIRACLE WHEN YOU COME TO BELIEVE GOD

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07-22-2006 06:03 PM  14 years ago
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Morally-impaired half-wit Byron 'helicopter' Head exposes himself yet again.op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t
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07-22-2006 06:09 PM  14 years ago
helicopter

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...and the unbelieving morally decrepit THWOPPER still thwops.....

Watch this Friend.


"Father GOD, Lord of Heaven and Earth, I have one simple request
today. Would you please touch the life of our Nevada Thwopper
friend with a breath of Your Awesome POWER. For Your Glory
and Honor I pray and Ask in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord. Amen."


Let us see what OUR all Powerful God does with that loving humble
request to garner the MIRACLE of HIS LOVE FOR YOU in your Life.


Wait.

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07-22-2006 06:11 PM  14 years ago
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07-22-2006 06:35 PM  14 years ago
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I remember a bunch of nut job Christians bombing abortion clinics. Does that not count?
Being pro-life doesnt make you a Christian anymore then being anti-western makes you a Muslim. Yes there was violence against abortion clinics but without supporting information dont assume that they were Christians.

And the email wasnt intended to make Islam sound worthless or evil, but dangerous. Which regardless of your stance on religion if you look at it for what it is, not what the media and establishment want us to believe, it is dangerous. And to clarify, I am talking about the religion of Islam, not its followers.
"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."
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07-22-2006 08:12 PM  14 years ago
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How can people not see that the religion that they feel to be "true" has nothing to do with truth, and everything to do with geography? How can you POSSIBLY be so weak and narrow minded to walk around with blinders and not see that. Quote the bible all you want, while I may agree with you, the fact is, that a Muslim will quote the Qur'an with the same level of conviction as you do the bible, Jews the Torah, same with the eastern religions, and the many native american faiths. IT IS NOTHING BUT GEOGRAPHY!

Your quoting scripture has exactly the same validity as these quotes:

"I will get all the Energon cubes" - Megatron - Battle for Earth 6:46

"Bumblebee, bring this to Optimus Prime" - Wheeljack - Transformers the Movie 76:22

"Noooooooo!!!!!!" Assembled Throngs of Autobots - Death of Optimus Prime 54:93

The ONLY difference is the time between when the quotes you wrote were written, and the mid 80s. If your religion is working for you, great, that's awesome, I hope it makes you a better person and enriches your life, but HOW DARE YOU Presume that you are the only one who is right and that other beliefs are invalid because you were raised a certain way. Your views have not one iota more proof, or validity than anyone elses. You read a book written by man thousands of years ago. So do the followers of other religions, and just as vehemently as you believe, they do as well. Where the hell do you get off talking down to them and telling them that their made up deity is invalid, while yours is valid?
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07-22-2006 08:40 PM  14 years ago
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Umm for Islam, Christianity and Judaism its is a matter of Geniology not geography. All trace their liniage to Abriham. God told him he would be the father of many nations not just Israel. Isalam recognizes all the pre-Jewish, Jewish and Christian prophets. One does not invalidate the other in any way.
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07-22-2006 08:45 PM  14 years ago
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As to the content of the original post, here is a good site that actually goes into detail regarding what the Koran actually says. And I think this quote says a lot:
You can't judge a religion by what its adherents do or say, you must look at its books.
http://www.citizensoldier.org/koranone.html
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07-22-2006 10:43 PM  14 years ago
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Umm for Islam, Christianity and Judaism its is a matter of Geniology not geography.
Geneology or Geography is irrelevant, the point is, it's where and how you were raised.
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07-22-2006 11:03 PM  14 years ago
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No. Its geniology not geography. So there!

Jews are a race not just a religon.

Good luck with the ergon cube thing... hope that all works out for ya
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07-22-2006 11:18 PM  14 years ago
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Was pondering have the jewish people ever had a crusade ?

Read parts of the above link and sure hope that was all of the worst in the koran.

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