RunRyder RC
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 5511 views Post Reply
07-19-2006 09:33 PM  14 years ago
Topic Vote0Post 1
nick blackman

rrNovice

Lincoln united kingdom

MyPosts All Forum Topic
caliber 3
any release date for the c3
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-21-2006 01:02 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Web site says July 2006. It's probably already flying in Japan.

Dave
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-21-2006 02:38 AM  14 years ago
Chief_USN

rrKey Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
What's up with that flybar though? Looks kind of proprietary(sp). Doesn't look like you can change it to a regular 3mm flybar. I tried finding some online pics of it but couldn't. But it almost looks like the flybar and hiller arms are one piece. They have a pic of it in the Jun/Jul issue of RCHeliMag pg. 21. Definately like the look of the canopy though. No more sneaker body.

Chad
Team HeliProz 12-14
US Navy Chiefs...Unity, Service, & Navigation to the Fleet since 1893
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-21-2006 03:41 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
The flybar design is supposed to insure that the paddles are aligned and don't shift position.

The canopy looks nice, and the redesigned servo tray looks good too. The rest of the heli looks like Caliber 30 parts. I'd like to see a close-up of the head, to see if anything else got changed along the way.

Dave
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-26-2006 07:33 PM  14 years ago
pasedepecho

rrNovice

Genoa - Italy

MyPosts All Forum Topic
If you want to see close-up images You can go to


http://llombard.club.fr/index.html

and then choose images on the right top, then the 12th and 13th item

Good saw


Pase
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-26-2006 07:41 PM  14 years ago
Chief_USN

rrKey Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Yeah, nice pics, but I'm not liking the linkages. They look plastic and flemsy. That, and the flybar. Like the idea for the beginner and setup but it really wouldn't teach the beginner how to adjust regular flybar setups when they upgrade to a .50 or above. JMHO.

Chad
Team HeliProz 12-14
US Navy Chiefs...Unity, Service, & Navigation to the Fleet since 1893
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-27-2006 12:19 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Nice pictures, and they answer a lot of questions I've had. The head is completely different, and all plastic. Gone is the CNC hub. The radius block is now part of the molded head, it appears.

The plastic links everywhere -- not only gaudy, but I believe a huge mistake on Kyosho's part. It appears that the only adjustable parts of the control linkge might be the pitch links, for tracking. Everything else is fixed length.

The moving servo tray arrangement for collective looks as if it is going to demand a real stump puller of a servo. The slot with the sliding pin looks to be a long-term problem as it wears, giving rise to slop in the collective system.

The flybar has got to go. Looks to be too much mass up there, should make cyclic response next to dead. Kind of like what those heavy aluminum paddles on the Concept 30 DX did for THAT heli's performance.

It appears that the main drive belt and therefore the clutch-mounted pulley and the pulley on the countershaft have different pitches than the Caliber 30.

Mass quantities of plastic balls everywhere. This design is a throwback to the Nexus. This includes the swashplate balls everywhere, and even up on the flybar and possibly elsewhere. Bad bad BAD move on Kyosho's part. All the plastic balls, teamed up with the plastic links makes you finally appreciate the Z-bend on the TR control!

More of the one-piece landing skids, too. I put up with them on my EP400, will tolerate them on my Caliber 5 until I break 'em, at which time they get replaced with some decent skids and struts. To perpetuate the one-piece design in yet a third machine is nuts.

The plastic in the clutch bell looks pretty cheap, as well.

And the stock MR blades. What's up with that! Look to be some cheap ABS molded crap, with lots of dimples in the bottom, near the trailing edge. Best place for the MR blades would be the trash can.

About the only part of this heli that might be functional is the tail boom, and the TR stuff, as this still seems to be Caliber 30 parts.

The looks are much more pleasant than the ugly Caliber 30, and I like the canopy mounts. But beyond that, I see no reason for anyone to plunk down good money for this particular beast.

The pictures indicate this is a prototype. We can only hope that this mess never makes it out of the prototype stage with most of the crap still intact.

The Caliber 3 is supposed to be targeted for the beginning pilot. Somehow, the folks at Kyosho seem to equate beginner with stupid and willing to buy cheap plastic stuff. Wait -- that's Align's marketing strategy with the T-Rex!!!

I'm afraid this particular rendition of the Caliber could actually make the JR Venture 30 look like a good heli. And that's a scary proposition!

Whoever was in charge back in the main office at Kyosho and gave this design their blessing, and the go ahead for production must have been out to lunch, or just plain brain dead. Or they secretly have a death wish for Kyosho as a whole. Kyosho has had a hard row to hoe trying to come back from its dance with death called the Nexus. The Nexus was OK, but a step backwards from the Concept SR-X of the day. The Nexus bought Kyosho a lot of ill will from what was loyal fans. The Caliber 30 did a lot to help bring some of that crowd back. The Caliber 5 has brought some more back, but also scared quite a number of potential buyers off with some of the initial production problems it had. But the Caliber 3 -- this could seriously damage Kyosho's heli reputation for good.

We can only hope and pray that the Caliber 30 enjoys continued production, and that this Caliber 3 dies a quick, painless death.


PS .. if any of you have come to think I'm just a paid shill for Kyosho based on most of my posts here over the years, this review ought to put THAT notion to rest permanently!

Dave
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-28-2006 12:06 AM  14 years ago
icepirate

rrApprentice

Fayetteville Arkansas USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Still new to this, but that looks pretty freaky to say the least!! Why the plastic lingage? Looks like they would never survive even a hard landing or some hard 3D. I understand that they will not bend, but a little torque would snap em pretty quick. Those fly bars....how do you adjust them? Are they so perfectly balanced that you never have to? It is nice that they are finaly trying to make a better canopy for the Caliber though.

Just my 2 pennies....
Good things come to those who wait, and PRACTICE!
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-28-2006 09:57 PM  14 years ago
C30

rrApprentice

Cookeville Tn USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Chuck
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 12:26 AM  14 years ago
Caliber1

rrApprentice

Fort Worth, TX

MyPosts All Forum Topic
PS .. if any of you have come to think I'm just a paid shill for Kyosho based on most of my posts here over the years, this review ought to put THAT notion to rest permanently!
Wow Dave, is that really you writing that?

I thought that the canopy fairing in front of the engine head looked a bit funky, sort of like a bib. Other than that, the canopy is better than the C30.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 12:37 AM  14 years ago
slow

rrVeteran

San Diego, CA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
More of the one-piece landing skids, too. I put up with them on my EP400, will tolerate them on my Caliber 5 until I break 'em, at which time they get replaced with some decent skids and struts. To perpetuate the one-piece design in yet a third machine is nuts.
Actually, I've yet to see someone break the one-piece gear on a C5 in anything but a crash that obliterates the rest of the heli.
I was sceptical of them as well when I got the C5, but they do seem to hold up very well.. Wintertime (below freezing) will tell how much thinking went behind the choice of plastic though..

/James
Hi! I'm a .signature virus!, copy me to your signature to help me spread!
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 01:27 AM  14 years ago
balbs

rrKey Veteran

Los Angeles, CA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Plastic balls on the swash....yuck...with the design of the C3, if one was a beginner, which would you pick, a T-REX or the C3? Of course this first depends on nitro or electric.

Seeing the extreme length of the plasic linkages explains why they are cross shaped along the length to keep it from bending. I guess CF tubes would be a good upgrade.

Balbs
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 01:52 AM  14 years ago
Chief_USN

rrKey Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Hopefully those pics are older than the one in RCHeliMag. The links in the mag are normal metal ones. Here is a scan:

Chad
Team HeliProz 12-14
US Navy Chiefs...Unity, Service, & Navigation to the Fleet since 1893
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 03:15 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Jason of Jason.net had some info on the Caliber 3 quite awhile back, from one of the Japanese Hobby shows. He also stated that the links were plastic.

I know the pic on the Kyosho website shows metal links, but it's hard to tell which is a prototype, which is a production model, or if any are production models, including the one in the picture above.

Dave
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 03:23 AM  14 years ago
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
http://www.jason.net/heli/fair0506.htm

Scroll down to the bottom, there are pics of the Caliber 3, as well as the EP400 XP. I'd love to get my meathooks on one of the 400XP machines.

Dave
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-29-2006 12:56 PM  14 years ago
Chief_USN

rrKey Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Yuck...

Even in those pics the rods look bent. Just sitting there. Can't imagine what they would do in flight under a serious load. This whole situation reminds me of a band trying to release a new album after 5 yrs of silence. They'll release whatever they can pull out thier a$$.
JHMO

Chad
Team HeliProz 12-14
US Navy Chiefs...Unity, Service, & Navigation to the Fleet since 1893
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-22-2006 06:12 AM  14 years ago
shuohan

rrApprentice

Maryland

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Anyone heard about this heli recently? The main frame looks identical to the Caliber 30, looks like for the most part the head, and servo mounts were changed. Perhaps the C30 frame was borrowed for prototyping though.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
09-22-2006 08:01 AM  14 years ago
Nightstalker

rrElite Veteran

UK (BEDFORDSHIRE)

MyPosts All Forum Topic
i saw one at the 3DM and u will be very shocked to know they have plastic blades aswell u can fold them its a plastic fantastic
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-22-2006 08:13 AM  14 years ago
Yokozuna

rrNovice

Ibaraki - Japan

MyPosts All Forum Topic
I've seen this model on the shelves at the local hobby shops here in Japan. It definately is in response to Hirobo's economy heli, the Shuttle+. They are both in the same price range, really cheap! (<$250 with engine)
I guess its not a bad choice if you want to get into the hobby and don't have much money. Even if you trash it you can just spend $150 and get a new one.

Japan Kyosho Page: [url=http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=100350]
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
09-22-2006 08:30 AM  14 years ago
shuohan

rrApprentice

Maryland

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Is it comparable to a Caliber 30 in terms of performance? I have a NIB C30 I'm debating whether to build or not. I was going to wait for the Caliber 3 but it appears this heli is even more beginner oriented with the weird weird flybar setup, and foldable plastic blades?! I'd like to obtain the canopy from one of these though, it's much more attractive than the stock C30 one.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 5511 views Post Reply
Print TOPIC

 8  Topic Subscribe

Monday, June 14 - 10:00 am - Copyright © 2000-2021 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online