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07-19-2006 07:50 PM  14 years ago
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Kristoffer

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3D Head settings on Freya 90?
What setup is best for 3D on the Freya 90 head?

Should i turn the seesaw and use the high mobility settings?
And where should I put the links on the mixing arms?

The manual doesnt explain the good what settings is for 3d and such.

Thx for help here!
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07-19-2006 09:08 PM  14 years ago
Garry-Boy

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Go to hight mobility holes, plus put the link balls on the seesaw arm in more aggressive position (it will be two central holes on EVO).
CX dampers will be good as well.

Hardcore or no core!
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07-19-2006 09:12 PM  14 years ago
Kristoffer

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thx
Ok thx i thought so. I can only get about 5 degrees of cyclic pitch now with the orginal setup on the head. Also i get a binding at the zeesaw when i have 0 phasing and have +10 in pitch. Dont know how to get rid of it eighter?

How much cyclic should I be able to use on the standard freya head?
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07-20-2006 01:02 AM  14 years ago
Agilefalcon

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Move the pitch link on the blade holder pitch arm to the outer most position. Then, use the two central holes on the mixing lever. This gives you the least amount of flybar feed back and lots of cyclic (Bell) input.

Your mixing levers should be on the innermost hole on the flybar carrier (high mobility).

Finally, use the new 80 durometer dampers. Your Evo will really rock with an 1850-1900 head speed.

Personally, I use Radix 690 blades and 95 tails, CSM 560 (rev 4 firmware).
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07-20-2006 01:30 AM  14 years ago
WreckRman2

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Chris could you post some pictures of the setup? I too am looking to change all my settings to the most agressive but not sure which ones to use. I'm also thinking of changing to the 555mm flybar... do you think this will help or hurt?________________
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07-20-2006 10:44 AM  14 years ago
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Thx
Thx for that chris!

I think i know how to do it now! :-)

How much cyclic can i use with 690 blade and orginal dampeners without beeing able to do a boomstrike in air?
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07-20-2006 01:16 PM  14 years ago
mrNoodles

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+/-6 degrees should work fine, if you bog the engine anything is possible
(thinking of the 'boomstrikething'

Dont let the headspeed sink and tighten the blades pretty hard will help.

Chris
Wiseguy is using a non EVO head!
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07-20-2006 01:46 PM  14 years ago
Kristoffer

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hm
Yes i have the orginal freya head, not the evo 90 head.

Did chris explain what to do on the Freya Evo 90 head?

I want a some good input on how to make the orginal Freya head super fast! :-)
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07-20-2006 09:49 PM  14 years ago
Garry-Boy

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No probs with original Freya. You want it fast then flip the blade holders if you don't afraid to make a booomstrike of course!
Boom!
Speaking seriously if you would make it pretty light than you'll decrease the inertia and this will help you to avoid da boomstrike.
I'm flying mine with 7degreese there with no problem.

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08-04-2006 04:10 PM  14 years ago
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Is it ok to shim the mixing arms on the head to get rid of the binding? The only way i can get rid of it is if i can make the mixing arm on the head to be maybe 1mm further out.

Do you guys have binding when you have like +10-11 degrees in pitch?
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08-04-2006 04:37 PM  14 years ago
Jafa

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There should be no binding on pitch alone, top or bottom

The mixing arms can graze the hub,
but not if the mixing arms are screwed
into position 1 on the seesaw
see step 15

Note that the links to the top bell mixer are ment
to have a 1 degree bend/ofset in them
step 33, lower left picture

It's only when you put cyclic in at max collective
that the radius pins can hit the swash
Move the radius block as high as posible
but make sure the pins stay in the slide block
at min collective

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08-04-2006 08:04 PM  14 years ago
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Thx for that jafa!

So the mixing arm should be little offset, with 1 degrree down angle, i havent seen that in the manual, i thougt that the mixing arm should be straight when you have 0 degress in pitch?

I know that if i put the mixing arm in position 1 that i dont have any binding at all. Maybe i should use that position just so i dont have any binding at all? Do i feel much difference in position 1 and 2 on the mixing arm?

I have mine in position 2 now and using +-11 degrees in pitch, and the flybar carrier as rugging against the link to the mixing arm now at high collectives witch is very irretating! I dont know but maybe i can live with that?

Thx for help!
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08-05-2006 02:10 AM  14 years ago
Jafa

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No, not the mixing arm offset 1 degree,
the link rod going to the mixing arm needs to be bent
at one end to put a 1 degree angle into it
See step 30 in the manual
that may solve the rod end rubbing on the flybar carrier also

You will notice a bit of difference between position 1 and 2
mainly in stabiliy and tracking - 1 seems better than 2
I use 1 simply to avoid the binding

11 degrees on a Freya is a lot - I'm using 10
If you are running the 7.92 gearing you could bog easy
particularly if you are using wide blades with good collective
Radix, RotorTech, V Blades, Sab 224/225, etc
Less of a problem for a YS on 8:45

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08-05-2006 08:56 AM  14 years ago
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thx!
Ok thx again!

I have the freya twister, i should look at the manual when i come home, i bought it used so i havent assemblyed it by my self thou.

The twister uses the same frame as the freya x-spec just that it has eCCPM orginal, also the orginal freya head so it should be the same i think. Im using the orginal hirobo carbon blades that come with the heli, and at 10 degree in pitch they are very slow they got little better with 11 degrees. Maybe i just have to buy some new blades and see if i get any better punch in the heli. Because now i cant even compare my fury extreme with this heli! the fury is so much faster when i climb fast!!

Also do you think that 690 blade is the best to use? I have some sab 0224 710 blades on my fury but i heard some say that you shouldnt use 710 blades on the orginal freya head? It should be fun to test the 710 blades and see if it gets any better with those blades compared to the orginal Hirobo blades thou.

Also do you think i should buy the 80 durometer dampeners for the head? Do i feel much difference when doing hard 3d?
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08-05-2006 10:31 AM  14 years ago
Jafa

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I have the Hirobo eCCPM kit, going to put it on my XSpec

Dampers, get the CarbonExtreme V2 kit, Outstanding!
When I put these on my plastic Freya I had no idea what to expect,
I used the recommended initial settings,
which is middle of the range hardness,
My Freya was transformed instantly,
it responded to my stick inputs immediately,
made me feel very connected to the heli,
but the heli was not nervous or twitchy.
No negative side effects
Totally satisfied - best thing I have put on my Freya

The kit blades are nothing to write home about,
11 degrees on them is fair enough.

Do not use 710's on the standard Freya or XSpec heads
Quite apart from the risk of connecting with the tail blades,
680/690 gives a total rotor diameter that is in the 3D ball park,
the wider you go the slower it will get.

710's on your Fury should give 1584mm rotor disc diameter
680/690 on Freya gives 1572/1592 rotor disc diameter
710 on a original Freya gives 1632 rotor disc diameter

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08-05-2006 10:43 AM  14 years ago
Kristoffer

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Thx jafa you have been very helpfull!

I cant seem to find the CarbonExtreme V2 kit in their site?

What is the partnummber for those?

is it this?
Version 1 Freya/X-Spec MicroRidged® Crisp 3D Dampeners refill set (2)
[CX10-00-501]
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08-05-2006 11:00 AM  14 years ago
mrNoodles

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08-05-2006 11:25 AM  14 years ago
Jafa

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Happy to help - enjoy your Hirobo

MrNoodles is a Hirobo Guru

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08-05-2006 01:51 PM  14 years ago
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Why doesnt Carbon extreme have the V2 dampeners for the freya on theit site?

I heard something that you should use the CX V2 dampeners if you dint have the metal yoke? Is it ok to use those with the orginal plastic freya head? Or maybe that was if you changed to a spindle dampeners insted of the yoke dampener system? i cant remember thou? :-)

Does this CX10-00-005 also work with the Freya evo 90 head?

Are there any european site i can buy the CX V2 dampeners from?
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08-05-2006 03:09 PM  14 years ago
Jafa

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Hmm, I don't know why they are not on the CX site

The Freya Evo dampers are different to standard Freya,
and CX withdrew them from the market cos a few Evo heads snapped,
CX waiting for a better head or the metal version

V2 dampers on original plastic Freya head are common and fine

Try Midland helicopters in UK

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