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07-19-2006 08:51 PM  14 years ago
caseyjholmes

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Jeff, don't forget to fly a raptor every now and again. The sound and intensity of a nitro heli is something one can't pass up either. Just the sight of any large helicopter flying will get my heart pumping. They tend to be a bit easier to set up as well. These new electric helis can also be very dangerous, as you don't expect the electric to freak out on you or explode, but it can. You have to be more carefull with an electric heli IMO. I never get one thing in the setup of my raptor wrong, even after a total rebuild from a serious crash. Thats not something I can say about my electric helicopters. Things seem to need more frequent attention and adjustment. I do veer more toward electric now days for ease of use and clenliness though. but that practically means I am playing with a possibly explosive battery when I play with them. I have popped smaller airplane 30mah lipos, but I'd hate to be around when a 2100mah, or even worse, 4200mah 22.2v lipo pops!


Think if your heli is on the ground, radio and RX on. You catch a glitch..
1) with a nitro, your servos will twitch and thats about it.
2) with electric, your heli could spool up and whack you, then proceed to jump around the table and whack other people.
this should help point out atleast one danger that electric has over nitro.. not to mention the explosive batteries we play with now days =D

I cought a glitch on the mikado once while I Was walking out to set it down and fly. The motor spooled up and shreded my main gear, and spun my hand around (cause it was holding the rotor head). That was a scary incadent.. might have broke a wrist if it would have been worse. I also cought the tail boom on my right leg from the torque of the heli spooling up when the glitch hit. (imagine how scary a mikado would be if it was trying to spool up in your hand while the servos are going crazy from glitching!)
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07-19-2006 08:56 PM  14 years ago
JeffM1999

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I had a Freya with a ys91 for 5 years, I do miss the "big" machine feel, but to me the benefits of e-power outweigh the size difference. Plus, that's why I am so interested in the 600, finally an e-heli that I can shoot autos with all day! I agree that they still need close attention to details, but what heli doesn't? I have owned a raptor 30, raptor 50, freya 80, freya 91, and now 2 Rex450se's and they ALL need some TLC.

EDIT: Also, realize that I am at a Mile high. I lose 25% power immediately from the motor, not to mention less bite from the blades. I gotta do everything I can to compensate!!
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07-19-2006 09:11 PM  14 years ago
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Ah, yes. A nitro at a mile high would start to bog pretty bad. I can agree with you there. I'm just under 1000ft above sea level here and I can still bog it down pretty good with an OS hyper 50 LMAO

It is good to see some larger electrics coming out with a bit lower of a pricetag to meet the nitro heli's. Before, it was a fury ION or a Mikado , or the JR E heli (forgot the name of it). all of which are on the expensive side. The way I See it, the 600 CF with motor and esc, rx lipo and BEC is a great deal. I just hope all the included electronics hold out. Another larger electric I want to check out is the new Hirobo.. but thats another $600 that I will have to wait on for another day. I hear it's only slightly larger than a Trex 450. It looks nice with all the aluminum and thick rounded rotor head.
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07-19-2006 09:39 PM  14 years ago
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ya, I have checked out the Lepton at my local shop, and the quality is superb! (I used to be sponsored by Hirobo though, so I am a bit biased...) But, like you mentioned, it is smaller. I would say it is in the middle of the 450 and 600 T-rex's as far as size. I don't know how well it would auto up at this altitude, otherwise I might consider getting one. And like you mentioned, for the $600 that you would spend on the Lepton kit only, you get the rex600, motor, esc, bec, rx lipo, etc etc. Much better value overall, but you don't get all the bling that the Lepton has.

Hell, maybe I need to get BOTH!!
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07-19-2006 09:49 PM  14 years ago
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I have horribly been thinking the same thing, when I have more helicopters than I can deal with at one time =)

I soldered the 5.1v align regulator inline with the futaba tail servo and shortened the leads to the gyro servo plug to clean things up a bit.
Just have to mount the RX and get the main and tail blades balanced before I can start on the radio program. I'm getting excited =D

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07-19-2006 10:00 PM  14 years ago
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More expensive? The hard numbers don't say so.

Trex 600 Metal frame w/motor esc,rx batt, main batt $698

R50 with OS 50 Hyper plus $40lipo rx batt, gallon of fuel $669

And the Trex will fly more flights than a gallon of fuel will get you for the R50. After 20 flights, the t600 starts paying for itself in fuel savings.
Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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07-19-2006 10:04 PM  14 years ago
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I think I ment the older electric heli's (ion, mikado etc) as being more expensive than a raptor or basic nitro heli. Some of them were very high in price for a large electric heli in comparison to a raptor 50 a while ago. Now the trex is at the same price, which is great to inspire more electric flyers, and give the nitro guys a chance to own one too for nothing more than what they paid for a raptor. Not to mention large electric heli parts can be hard to come by when you crash.

It is also very bold of Align to introduce a helicopter like this. The nitro guys will look at it as a chance to try something in the electric range and compare the power. If they don't like it, align could have a problem on it's hands. The test videos do show alot of promise. I havn't checked yet, but it seems as though the 600 is lighter than my rappy50, and if power is anywhere near the same, align could advance even further in the heli world.

I am always scared to buy something right when it comes out though, and have to be the first to test it. I Went through so many motors trying to figure out what I liked in my Trex when it came out. I hope thats not the case here. If not, I'll be happy if it flies as good or even just about as good as my raptor for this price
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07-19-2006 10:15 PM  14 years ago
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One thing is for sure, I put a grip of cash into my raptor! I'm sure it's up near $2000 for the heli alone by now. And I Still need the gold aluminum tail blade grips!
If align comes out with a bunch of aluminum for the TREX 600, I'm in big trouble

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07-19-2006 10:56 PM  14 years ago
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Almost there..

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07-20-2006 12:11 AM  14 years ago
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Finished! (besides an extension for the ESC wire)
Setup in the radio is on tonight. Might be test flying tomorrow?
Had to input the BEC output to the same channel as the gyro gain on the 6ch receiver.

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07-20-2006 12:32 AM  14 years ago
JeffM1999

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Awesome.... keep us posted. As for the bec power wires going into the same channel as the gain control wire, you could have just pulled the yellow wire out of the red plug and put it into the black plug with the bec wires. But looks like you got it to work. Wish I could be there for the maiden voyage! I can't wait to get mine!!!
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07-20-2006 12:33 AM  14 years ago
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I just noticed that everything on your Rappy is gold except for the PINK tail case. What the ??
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07-20-2006 12:37 AM  14 years ago
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Now that you are done...
What did you think of the kit? Quality of parts, engineering, manual, assembly, etc.?

How would you compare it to the other kits/brands you have built?

We would appreciate your input a lot!
It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.
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07-20-2006 03:22 AM  14 years ago
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Well, to be honest..
I Saw this heli, and had to have it. It looks sleek and thin, almost like a 3D MP In a way that tha canopy is slim and long. Align did a great job of parting the heli out with precision. I have noticed the Trex450 had some part issues, like different sized tail shafts/bearings and flashing left on pulley's, etc. I have not noticed any of that nonsense on this Trex 600 heli. All the parts seem to be quality engineered and very sturdy. the heli comes with two types of landing struts. Black ones for normal flying and white ones for low profile 3D style landing gear. I liked the black ones, and have no problem landing when doing 3D or autos.

The kit contents were all layed out in bags just as the standard trex450 heli, and the manual could of corse be a bit more helpfull with the assembly. It simple shows one or two pictures of the frame and tons of screws going into holes everywhere. Kindof like a lego set on steriods and you need to make sure you don't miss anything they show in the illistrations. Same old align style manuals with a small flying lesson and a parts exploded diagram in the back.

Overall, I've built tons of helicopters. Everything from hornets to Fury's. I Worked for a company who sold em all, and I've been through atleast one of every heli box you can think of besides a 3DMP. I happen to think this kit is of great quality, and I have always loved how align throws in extra parts bags. Name one other heli manufacturer as generous with the parts as align! This heli is smooth, sleek, looks and assembled great. The swash is smooth traveling up and down, and the entire rotor head is very smooth. Not a stitch of binding anywhere in the heli, and the rotor spins freely with tail the belt proporly tensioned. Align took several steps to prevent the carbon frame from flexing too, which is something I liked alot. All in all, I like this kit more than alot of others I have seen out there. I've had (whats supposed to be a super high quality kit) mikado logo 3D missing the aluminum swash before.. etc etc. This Trex had all the parts and extra included, and at a great price I was happy to fork over. I'd give it an A-... or atleast a very high B+, leaving the manual and a better lower canopy seat the only two things I would like to see improved upon. It wouldn't hurt if they could throw in some screws, bolts and locnuts for the tail servo however =D

I'd give it an A+, but I think there is better kits out there as far as quality and manual issues. Align did beef up the quality on this heli though, as it's the best quality helicopter I have seen them make to date besides my SE. Expect a better quality from this heli than shown in the Trex 450 kits (besides the SE). I happen to feel the SE is a very good kit as well. I wish align would take the time to write out a more detailed manual though. I'm no ninja helicopter builder! I Can't see 20 parts going on to the helicopter at one time. It's easy to miss something, or get two screws mixed up.. etc. The tail pitch slider bushing seems a bit stiff on the tail shaft, but I think that will loosen up with a flight or two. The digital gyro servo has no problem sliding the pitch. The push pull ECCPM levers are a cool new way of rigging too. (the way the bellcranks are mounted in the push pull system all on one shaft with bearings and large cap head screws)
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07-20-2006 03:38 AM  14 years ago
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I just noticed that everything on your Rappy is gold except for the PINK tail case. What the ??
Lol
Havn't found one in gold yet. So when I got the purple tail gearbox, I also picked up purple fuel tubing, a purple aluminum/carbon tail servo mount set and some other purple aluminum standoffs and spacers. I matched the green flybar paddles with a green exhaust spray difflector and I used to have green skid stoppers (before I started doing sliding autorotations. Now I run plastic tubes to prevent wear of the struts when sliding)
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07-20-2006 04:55 AM  14 years ago
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Thank you for your frank and very useful report. Appreciated.It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.
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07-20-2006 05:05 AM  14 years ago
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Heli looks great!My Homepage Shows How I Feel About The Aurora Avant
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07-20-2006 05:56 PM  14 years ago
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I am finding the align ESC plugs that are inserted into the pins of the RX have a different inner crimped connector than the futaba wire plugs do. The gyro gain wire of the futaba 401 would not fit in with the align BEC rx connector, which is why I had to split both plugs' connectors and plug two connectors into the 5th channel (BEC and 5th gyro gain wire)
I tried to get the gyro gain wire in with the bec wire connector too at first, but align has made their plug different than futaba, and it didn't work. Also, aligns crimped connectors won't fit in the futaba plugs either.

This morning I am doing the radio setup as I got busy last night. I did solder the extension on to the ESC so it would never come appart in flight, and now it can sit up front away from the rx.
I will video tape all flights starting with the maiden. May not be RTF untill tomorrow though. I gotta take the time to get this right the first time =)
I also plan on making an aluminum head button for the rotor head hub since it didn't come with one, but has a screw hole for it. I picked up some aluminum stock to slap in the lathe later tonight when I get home.
Thanks for the kind comments. I took alot of time figuring out where to place the electronics without endangering the helicopter and keeping radio noise in mind. Hope this info is usefull to somone one day!
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07-20-2006 06:45 PM  14 years ago
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Here is how I routed the antenna to the antenna tube. I used an antenna bobbin to take up slack so no antenna wire could contact anything moving. Also a shot of the completed wiring to the RX. I don't much like the RX up top in back, but I'll see how it goes. If I have any problems with wires moving around I'll move it to where I put the rx lipo, and put the rx lipo where my rx is. confusing ey? =)

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07-20-2006 06:48 PM  14 years ago
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Also looks like I could add a spacer between the tail servo mount ring and the back of the heli tail holder to prevent the tail from EVER slipping too. The tail servo mount sits close to the frame to allow for an anti-slip spacer. I think this is something I will take the time to add before I fly the heli. I don't want to chance any belt slippage, although it doesn't look like it could ever happen on this heli.
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