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07-17-2006 05:36 PM  14 years ago
Topher

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Good and Evil are just in the eyes of the observer.
Exactly, it is all relative. No one just hates and kills people for no particular reason. A better question would be, are you born republican or democrat?
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07-17-2006 05:37 PM  14 years ago
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Good and Evil are just in the eyes of the observer.
Somewhat, perhaps, but not as much as the times we live in and social behavior. For example, in today's society a spouse cheating on their mate is considered bad. But there was a time when that was considered evil. There is no real "good" or "evil", it's only a perception of what's accetable or not based on current lifestyle rules, laws and government stipulations.
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07-17-2006 06:32 PM  14 years ago
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Good and Evil are just in the eyes of the observer.
If this were true then our laws about the punishments used to deter crime would not be so widely standardized. It's pretty clear that quite a few people are in agreement that certain acts are considered evil by all morally-sound citizens and should have specific punishments associated with them.
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07-18-2006 02:45 AM  14 years ago
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Good and Evil are just in the eyes of the observer.
No, evil IS evil. Good IS good. Although the likes of Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and his two sons, and others didn't believe themselves to be evil, they were indeed, evil. Evil is not a relative term. Moral relativism is a major tool used by evil people to justify their actions, and as a way to con others into believing that what they are doing is OK.

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07-18-2006 02:56 AM  14 years ago
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dkshema, Im going to have to disagree with you. Hitler killed millions of people because of his religous beleifs. He thought that only the great white race should rule the world and all others should be enslaved. He may have been twisted and dimented but that is the way many people are brought up to belive, yes even today. Hitler believed that what he did was the will of god, not because he was evil. Everything he did was because he thought it was the good thing to do, not because he was evil and twisted. Do you think that the catholic church is evil? Because the catholic church supported what Nazi germany was doing. They harbored Nazi officers in Vatican City after germany lost the second world war. So you are saying the catholic church is evil? I think they did it because they thought it was right, not because they were evil.
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07-18-2006 04:09 AM  14 years ago
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Born into evil, but not born evil. What makes a man evil, if he knows what he is doing is evil, and he does it anyway, then he is evil. But like what was said earlier, it is also dependant on what the observer percieves as being evil. Some cultures believe that eating human flesh is good for the soul, I disagree but that is my viewpoint. I don't believe that a baby can be born into this world, and be evil from day one, he/she has to learn the difference between good and evil, and make that choice on there own. I remember a while ago these 2 little girls who proclaimed to be nazis, what they said was apauling to the people who watched and reported on these little girls, and in my humble oppinion, they were taught to be that way, not born that way. Please, take this as nothing more than my humble oppinion. If there is any physical proof, or scientific proof that someone can be born evil, I would be interested to see it. And there are of course exceptions to the rule. People not knowing someone who has turrets (sp) would think that they are evil, but it is a disease. I have had the pleasure of having a student with turrets, she would cuss like a trucker, throw fits, and do things that were not the acts of a 10 year old, but when you sit down, understand what is wrong with her, and get to know her, she was the most wonderful child you could meet. She was kind and loving, and then she would cuss. Do I call that evil, never. Born evil, IMHO, no, born into evil, yes. IMHO
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07-18-2006 04:12 AM  14 years ago
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Its only evil if in your particular environment they put you in a cage or extinct you.

Evil is relative.
The Catholic church has done way more evil than the collective deeds of the sick f342ks that have been listed . But in the name of god and its all good,WTF.(and hiding nazis is way at the bottom of that list)

Lets put it this way the satanist have never had a crusade .
But they are always considered evil,but yet never interrupt my saturday morning cartoons.
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Once in a while there's the serial killer ?
Environment probably , just a chain of events where the consequences don't seem to matter.

Perhaps someone interupted someones cartoons.

Just because THEY are evil. NAH
Everything is cause and effect.

Fear of cage works for me.But perhaps not for you.

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07-18-2006 04:58 AM  14 years ago
Isaiahsdad

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Funny, I thought it was people, not groups of people you guys were talking about. My bad. Hitler didn't actually kill all those people, he just had there deaths ordered. You compaired a group of millions of people (Catholics) with the likes of Hitler, Dahmer, etc. That is very interesting. Sounds like someone stirring the pot to me. But seriously folks, it takes one man to do evil, it takes a group of men to make it not evil. Sick f324ks, you used one too many characters, but look who is talking, I am about the worst speller on the planet.
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07-18-2006 05:02 AM  14 years ago
Isaiahsdad

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Please try not to involve a lot of religion!
By the way, I didn't break the rules. Seems like again, we will put the blame everywhere but where it deserves to go, the hearts of man, whether it be a group, or one man, it is still in OUR hearts that evil exists.
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07-18-2006 05:07 AM  14 years ago
Isaiahsdad

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Hitler didn't actually kill all those people, he just had there deaths ordered.
What the hell was he talking about...oh, that was my comment, what was I talking about. I would rather own up to a stupid, although true, comment then edit it out.
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07-18-2006 06:46 AM  14 years ago
Isaiahsdad

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Don't go to church, won't go to church. All mans fault. I believe in God, Read the bible, but don't need church to let the Lord know I love him. Way to much curruption in church. I know what the bible says about church, you find me a church that runs like the churches that Paul preached in, and John, and Peter, I would be there in a second. Now I have been in some real small black churches and heard some real good preachin, and good down home gospel music. Fealt the lords presetce there. But those churches are few and far between. As for me, not for me. As far as I am concerned my church is in my heart. And to me that is where every church needs to start, in the heart. I don't expect anyone but me to understand, and God. He knows my heart. That is why in past postings elswhere on this site, I claim no denomination, don't quote the bible, just simply say, I am a fan of God. One true God. You see, all cultures believe in God, he may have a different name, or even be a she, but they all have one God. The difference between the people is the way they interpret what they have been tought about there God. All religions have the same basic rules and principals, but all inspired by one God. Ok, so who is right, who knows, I take the good from all forms of religion and live by the best of it. Say what you will about me, insult me as has been done by many, but think, really think about what I have said. In the midst of billions uppon billions of people who believe in God, they just went a little overboard a few times, read between the lines when they should have just read what was on the paper. Man is good in nature, man has found ways to be bad and lack the abbility to change. It is more fun to be bad. It feals better being bad, but everyone who has ever done a truly bad thing, will someday regret his or her actions. He or she may never admit to it, but it will happen. It has happened to me many times. I don't like the feelings of regret, and that helps me to be a better person. I don't like when I have done something wrong and I know I shouldn't have, but the guilt is what keeps me from doing it again. And for what it is worth, I believe that the majority of mankind feels the same way. I don't beat my wife, beat my kids, steal, cheat, lie, hurt people, because I believe in the good teachings of the Bible, and other books of religion from all over the world. I teach my kids to do good, I teach my children what God has taught me, from books inspired by God, writen by men who where doing nothing more than trying to glorify God. We as a people make a lot of mistakes along the way, but it doesn't make us evil. When we die, and we all will one day, am looking forward to what may be waiting for us. If I make it into heaven, I am excited about what I can learn, the places I can see, the people I would meet. The wonders that await stagger the mind. What do I have to loose.

Boy that was long winded but now you don't have to wonder what I am like in church.
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07-18-2006 06:51 AM  14 years ago
Isaiahsdad

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And again, I didn't start the religion thing, I was just helping his imagination along.
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07-18-2006 10:11 AM  14 years ago
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Taipan asked a question, and wisely included a request to limit replies of a religious nature. Some apparently don't much care to honor such requests.op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t
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07-18-2006 11:11 AM  14 years ago
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Quite a few here are hitting the nail on the head in that evil is in the eye of the beholder. Let me put it another way: there is no Evil (capital letter) nor Good. They are purely words placed on actions/deeds/beliefs etc. that are different to yours, or the same as yours. Does a cow think we are evil for eating its fellows? Does a cat think I am evil when I try to run it over? Someones dad said in another post (and I paraphrase) that Lucifer was a Good bloke til he upset God who then banished him to Hell thus becoming Evil incarnate. One mistake and Boom. Now he is different to me therefore Evil.
Once again religion gets involved only because it seems to be the main arbiter of who or what is evil versus who or what is good. Atilla the Hun's mom probably thought he was a good bloke.

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07-18-2006 11:56 AM  14 years ago
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If your talking about the perception of evil then you could say there is no evil, or good, or God for that matter. We perceive all these rules and beliefs from other men...after all, who here has actually met and seen god himself/herself in person?...nobody, its all perception, perceived from other peoples beliefs and ideas. This makes civilisation and religion what it is, control by man over man, for the good of mankind and civilisation. Warning...This hobby is very addictive and may damage your wealth
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07-18-2006 12:37 PM  14 years ago
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Murder is a very very comon thing in the nature world - so dos this make nature an evil thing?
Again good and evil are in the eye of the observer.
Everything is based on individual/comunity interests and many time Interests collide.
Have a nice day :)
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07-18-2006 03:36 PM  14 years ago
Pistol Pete

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I was just helping his imagination along.
and that's pretty much what we all do in here...and some.
~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~
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07-21-2006 05:27 AM  14 years ago
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Took me 15 mins to read all of that!

Interesting, a lot of points are valid, like not being born evil & it's how people are raised.

Had a thought, what about people who go insane or mentally ill & are locked up? That's where something goes wrong with their brains, right? So maybe it's the same with 'evil' people.

Yeah, there are people whose actions appear evil to us but not to them. Can't remember any examples.

I asked for no religious talk cos a lot of threads become religion wars.
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07-21-2006 05:52 AM  14 years ago
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Gimbal Fan's first reply to this post is exactly correct. Both my mother and father are behavioral therapists and there is a case for evil from nature AND evil from nurture.

Children with certain forms of Asburgers syndrome lack empathy in its entirety, just as Gimbal said. Their brains simply do not process it. Sure it'd be nice to believe all babies are a clean slate, but that simply isn't true. We know this because you can look at brain scans and even brain tissue under a microscope and see differences in the ways neurons are connected between a healthy brain and that of a person affected by a mental disorder. For these people, sometimes medication can relax or fix the problem, but usually that is not the case.

There are also more general things such as predispositions towards evil acts that are genetic but also exacerbated by subtle, silent, interraction with caregivers that have the same issues.

Adam
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07-21-2006 05:54 AM  14 years ago
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Also, quote from a rap song I like...

"These days they want to be criminals more than they want to commit crime."
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