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07-18-2006 04:31 PM  14 years ago
JohnC

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Is that lightning ?.

It looks like the sun behind some clouds to me
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07-18-2006 04:37 PM  14 years ago
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Its both we have video also. The storm put on a lightning display that you wouldn't believe and 2-3" HAIL down!

We have shots from start to finish.

John
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07-18-2006 06:40 PM  14 years ago
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dj,

i'll take the challange if i can use a heli other than the v50! hell i think i could pull it of maybe with the mini joker or a logo 10 or something rather. back when i had my logo 14 it only pulled 17 amps in a hover on 5s! and if semi syms or flat bottoms were used i'd be a piece of cake! does anyone know of any 50size e helis that are torque tubes? i know the 3dmp can be converted(planning on doing it soon) and the robbe l16 can be a torque tube aswell, tt's have much less drag than the belts and i think would do a great job.
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07-18-2006 08:01 PM  14 years ago
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Simple misconception:
John does not mention any underslung mount in his first post, Just the v50 electric, so I don't see how you thought it was an underslung mount.
Scott,
With all due respect, I don't think I missed anything. I did not immediately assume John was using the front mount electric just because it is one of the newest AF products. Honestly, I was not aware that they arent selling the Voyager 50E anymore. I knew he flew the Voyager 50E with an underslung mount so when I saw "V50E", that's what I assumed he was flying.

Thanks,

Tony
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07-18-2006 08:32 PM  14 years ago
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Tony don't lose sleep over it. I use them both. I don't fly the front mount because well its harder to fly/ tends to tip easier/ doesn't handle near as well in the wind and over all if you are truely shooting jobs most of the time the mount is on the heli facing backwards.

You end up with something I had about 24 people around the world ask for. It won't be on our site much longer. It will be the same heli and setup just using the M1-30 mount below it.

When you really start shooting jobs like you are and many on here you realize the benifits of the underslung mount.

Some on here are small fish in a big pond that are just wantabees!
Truth is we all know he still wants a GSR, Hell that's all he shows on his web site. Breaking news DJ we were getting 20 minutes plus with the Voyager last year and the Lipo Lites are less weight and hold up voltage better and the Venture lost 10 oz's.

You do the math and fly for 7 minutes I will just fly and make money!

John
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07-18-2006 09:21 PM  14 years ago
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if this mystery flight can be accomplished not only will I fork over the $$ I will FOREVER leave AF alone. until the end of eternity. That there John is some damn good incentive for you to make sure this happens
Heard that once before then I wouldn't do business with you so you got pissed off and posted BS. The real truth is the few is you because you can't get your raptor to fly over 8 minutes without failing and you want to know how I did it.

I don't need you to leave AirFoil alone hell your making an asx out of yourself on every post. You really think anyone cares what you want or think really? Why don't you just go sell some more of what you can't even get to work! If its at all possible cut out the 4 or 5 hours of post stabilizing you generally do and won't admit to.

We are not stupid DJ! The fact you thought I was flying a front mount just goes to prove you have no clue!

Keep it coming I didn't start doing this yesterday.

You really want to see a heli fly for 25 minutes?Cut all the BS and eagle tree and I will strap a 30 mount under one and let it hover for 30 just to really show how in depth we are. After that you can mail the check meeting you would be like meeting a rich kid that daddy took care of his whole life. I could do without that.

John
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07-18-2006 09:27 PM  14 years ago
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The stakes are getting pretty highSignature
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07-18-2006 09:30 PM  14 years ago
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DJ,
I see John's quote in his initial post stating the use of the V50 Electric. I know you and others thought he was referring to the new front mount heli in the rolling ads at the top of the page. I honestly thought he was referring to the Voyager 50 Electric with an underslung mount because I know he flies one and so do several other guys on this forum. Just because the front mount is one of his newest products and he no longer sells the Voyager 50 Electric, why should I immediately assume he was flying the front mount version??? Why can't you understand that? Please drop the smart aleck remarks. It was a simple misunderstanding and as usual, you have to try to be the funny guy about it.

Tony
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07-18-2006 10:02 PM  14 years ago
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I have gotten a ton of emails asking me to stop you like a buy!

Here's what I will do I don't want to meet you or any of your family. I don't want anyones money but your's $1300.00 offered which I will give to Blessing Hospital as a donation for a golf ball drop I'm doing for them.

I'm not going to show you the tricks of the trade on how to keep the engine and esc cool.

I will video the Venture 50 flying with the 30 size mount and camera for 25 minutes non stop. Not going to jump through hoops for you. I have a job I could use it on Wend. so we could video that. I will have at least 3 witness but at the end it will be 25 minute of non stop no edit tape of the heli flying.

Don't care about your math we do test these units before we start advertising them.

Thank you for your donation in advance if you are the man you say and not just full of BS!!!!!!!

John
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07-18-2006 10:20 PM  14 years ago
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Who cares if John does it? As long as their is proof that he didn't cheat, I think that's fair. It would be easy to be a real cheater though, just take a larger lipo and put a different sticker on. I know my e-raptor can't fly for 20 minutes..Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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07-18-2006 10:27 PM  14 years ago
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I'm not going to show you the tricks of the trade on how to keep the engine and esc cool.
sorry but i find entertainment in that, lol. i've never had a heating issue with any heli and im certainly not using any tricks of the trade, i plug a battery into an esc, then into a motor and it gets maybe 20 degrees above ambient.
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07-18-2006 10:33 PM  14 years ago
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Well I don't frequent the other forum you are on. I just read emails from some of my customers laughing.

You are a real stand up guy! Now it has to be a customer. We modify the heli to fly 20 minutes for everyone? Just get lost and quit wasting my time.

Go ask daddy maybe he can loan you $1300.00.

I have money to truly test products unlike you. You have no idea who I am but daddy didn't spoon feed me so when I go buy things I earned them. Like I need your $1300.00 bucks. By the way bigger lipo's weigh more so it doesn't mean you would run any longer at all. Its a trade off. It all has to match perfect. I would bet my one car is worth more than your house/cars everything put together. These are out runners so you can do things to keep them very cool and more efficient

You are a true loser. I would have gave the money to the hospital for the golf ball drop were doing. Piss off you are a true Joke! Now I remember why I don't do business with you!

John
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07-18-2006 10:36 PM  14 years ago
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pretty.....ian brooke
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07-18-2006 10:52 PM  14 years ago
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oh yea and i couldn't help but see what this thread would be like gizoogled seeing as to how it was oh so suiting last time(thanks tony)

these post are much more coherent once "gizoogled"

http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.ph...%2Ft272074p2%2F
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07-18-2006 11:51 PM  14 years ago
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I posted for one reason to tell people pay attention to your timer! No other reason than to try to help someone else from making the same mistake I made.

DJ came on under an alias and bashed me which has turned this thread into a joke. Its all stupid! He is just trying to get attention for his Raptor 50 and has a personal agenda against me!

I don't care DJ was wrote off as a customer a year ago. He will do anything to save money even at the cost of others. One of my customers sold him the used GSR and I got to hear what DJ did to him.

Thought I would post a pic my photographer designed since it has nothing to do with why I posted any way! None of this does.

Its hot so next maybe Daggit naked flying an Xcell? Live with that.

John
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07-18-2006 11:53 PM  14 years ago
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Just get lost and quit wasting my time.
You are a true loser. I would have gave the money to the hospital for the golf ball drop were doing. Piss off you are a true Joke! Now I remember why I don't do business with you!
John, statements like that were the reason Mr. Ryder sent you packing some time back, no? That is no way to represent your business. I have no idea why someone who is supposed to be a standup business man would say this kind of stuff. Nice car, but does "mine's bigger than yours" really prove anything other than you seem to have an inferiority complex? Comon man, I'd like to expect more. Just go with the bet and prove your point. Feel free to call people names under your breath or amongst your clientele, but it's not really neccessary to spout it here. Just think of it this way, if 50% think YOUR side is correct, and 50% thinks you are wrong, you just alienated a potential 50% of customers who will go elsewhere. Once again, I appreciate the times you assisted ME and sold ME products, but it's not going to help to cut someone down, justified or not.
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07-19-2006 12:04 AM  14 years ago
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oh yea and i couldn't help but see what this thread would be like gizoogled seeing as to how it was oh so suiting last time(thanks tony)

these post are much more coherent once "gizoogled"

http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.ph.../t272074p2/

ian brooke
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Thanks Ian. I had never seen that before, and it just made me laugh out loud real hard. Could not even finish reading any of it.
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07-19-2006 12:05 AM  14 years ago
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Yippie yo, you can't see my flow.
Hilarious!
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