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07-20-2006 03:00 AM  14 years ago
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Any news???Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.
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07-20-2006 03:17 AM  14 years ago
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You Bet!
Go to this A/P get together in Birmingham this weekend And you will get the details first before everyone else!!
http://runryder.com/t269701p1/
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07-20-2006 03:35 AM  14 years ago
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well then it's just a test of who can go the quickest from the birmingham meet to runryderian brooke
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07-20-2006 04:00 AM  14 years ago
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07-20-2006 04:07 AM  14 years ago
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Well someone may as well post it here then so we don't have to go searching through the drivel on the other sites to find it.
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07-20-2006 04:33 AM  14 years ago
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any hint?My Homepage Shows How I Feel About The Aurora Avant
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07-20-2006 08:11 AM  14 years ago
rroback

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I can't find anything "big" in either heli freak or rcgroups. what other sites are there?Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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07-20-2006 11:33 AM  14 years ago
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So how does this appeal to the average joe flying and taking pictures as a part time thing. I think your products are still expensive for the average heli pilot. Good luck
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07-20-2006 01:50 PM  14 years ago
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This thread has turned out to be useful to less than 1% of us that do AP.www.louisianahelicam.com
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07-20-2006 01:54 PM  14 years ago
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Yeah, that was worth the wait...
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07-20-2006 02:55 PM  14 years ago
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You could save some scratch on AP insurance here

http://www.hillusher.com/aerialpak/

Helps soften the blow on the buy in!
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07-20-2006 03:07 PM  14 years ago
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Considering the cost of business tools, a $20k fully auto helicopter is pretty darned good. I've watched many operators in this forum who are on the full-time or near full-time professional level make increasing investments in their equipment. On the outset, these folks weren't spending a few thousand on a Carvec, but they are now, and they're reaping the benefits. This is the kind of tool that will provide an even greater measure of ability in this industry. Doing low alt panos alone makes this heli worth it's price. While comparing it to a bass boat purchase is an economic equivalent, that's more like comparing apples to oranges. Instead, compare it to other business tools Mike. A professional studio photographer will likely spend $20k in lighting, backdrops, computers, and camera gear, to achieve shots that pay enough to support the business. Check the price of a Hassy with a digital back guys, and you'll see what I mean. A sign shop will spend $3k just to buy the right software to run a $2000+ plotter and printer. A parking lot vacuum operator will spend $35k to buy a good vac. A videographer will spend how many thousands on editing and video equipment? Brad, Anthony, you guys know better than most in here.

Bottom line is that what NRI is offering isn't a hobby-level toy. It's a professional-level tool. I don't see it appealing to the average hobbyist. If any of you are waiting for a sub-$5000 RTF fully autonomous heli, don't hold your breath. You'll become a smurf. If you think it can be done, get on it. I'll be the first in line to buy one. Chris did build this up with a bit of hype that probably wasn't deserved, but you can't blame the guy. After working with helis which cost so much more (twice and better), to reveal a product such as this is really big news to them. I can think of a handful of active participants in this forum who will shell out the bucks for this tool as soon as it is available. And then there's the many (dozens I dare say) who read but don't participate, and are building businesses all around us, who will jump on this like no tomorrow.
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07-20-2006 03:14 PM  14 years ago
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Wonderfulwww.louisianahelicam.com
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07-20-2006 03:52 PM  14 years ago
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Greg, you're right, 20K is not a lot for the right equipment, but what is the right equipment? Why shouldn't a guy spend less than half to get the Joker2 and a Carvec system? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. What do you gain over a Carvec? Is the NRI system for someone that absolutely cannot fly?

Brad
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07-20-2006 04:02 PM  14 years ago
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That is my question. what can this do over a carvec?Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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07-20-2006 04:15 PM  14 years ago
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The NRI system is fully autonomous. Carvec only provides stability augmentation. Correct me if I am wrong. Autonomous flight is a quantum leap beyond stability augmentation. It means the operator can park a heli in the sky and concentrate on operating a camera. And should things go bad, the autonomous system has the ability to return to a predetermined spot. NRI clearly said they are not selling this to non-helicopter pilots, so you must have a measure of flying ability. Sure, a Carvec and a MJ2 is half the cost, but it still may not meet the needs of the operator. What I am saying is put this system in perspective. Full autonomy for $20k is a bargain to the people who require it. For those who don't require it, the Carvec will fill that void as it is doing now.

A few months ago, operators couldn't justify the money spent on a Carvec. But today they can. It's just a matter of time before the same operators justify the purchase of a fully autonomous helicopter. How much easier would a 30 story balcony shots job be with full autonomy? How much time would it save? Time is money. And for what some of these balcony projects fetch, this heli could be paid for in just a few jobs. I don't work for these folks, I just call it like I see it. Great tool for a great price if it turns out to be everything claimed.

Couple questions for Michael:

1. Does an operator require flight filing for every autonomous flight, or can they get a blanket COA?

2. The insurance you are trying to nail down...does this provide hull coverage, or is it GL only?
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07-20-2006 04:18 PM  14 years ago
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well, for one thing, id think it comes assembled and ready to go. there is alot of work involed in simply setting up a carvec system youself...im told...

i think the nri system has other cool stuff like the ability to fly to waypoints and what not....could be wrong though...

not really gonna be of much use when shooting a photo for the local realtor, but, essential when doing more high tech stuff....
www.skypiximaging.com
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07-20-2006 04:33 PM  14 years ago
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I think it's great what NRI and CARVEC are doing. They are leaders.

Greg,

I can 'park' my CARVEC Maxi 2 in the sky while I operate the camera on a second TX. She won't drift. If I want her to hold altitude, then I would flip another switch

Folks,

The tools Mike is referring are not for your hobbyist. If you want a 'cheap or cheaper' solution, then there's FMA and that other one that could hold position for 3 meters. I could go +1,500 feet with mine.

Though, my guess is the clientele here (RR) is probably 90% hobbyist.?.? Maybe more.

The other day I ran into a photographer referring himself as a professional wedding photographer. He had a Canon D30 in his hands. While, I've got a friend who also shoots weddings and the minimum he'll use his a Canon 1Ds Mark II.

The guys using the Canon D30 was complaining that the Canon 1Ds was too expensive.

My friend books his weddings at $4,000. He does this full time.

The guys with the D30 books his at $900. (I asked him his booking price).
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07-20-2006 04:41 PM  14 years ago
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I think while this may not appeal to many of the AP comunity it is a very big step in the right direction. Having this technology come down in price and size/weight to be viable on a Joker is great. I don't think the 20k price tag is bad when you think of what is possible with this system.

The next step is to take this and see if we can get the "brains" seperatly and somehow build a easy to install/setup package that can be applied to any helicopter. I think when it is something a current AP company can pickup for a reasonable price and use on their current setup it will appeal to a lot more people. I for one am interested but would be a lot more interested if it was offered like the AP2000i. Offer it as a bolt on unit to take someones helicam to the next level.

Ok thats my $.02 Good work to the people at Neural Robotics
Blake
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07-20-2006 04:50 PM  14 years ago
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Is the "AutoCopter Express" a fully autonomous system?

I didn't see anything that said it was the full package like the AutoCopter.

19K is a bit high, but if it is a fully autonomous system then that is a very good price point.
Jason Stiffey
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