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07-17-2006 05:25 PM  14 years ago
shawgl

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I would just prefer to stay veteran. People tend to think that you know what is going on once you hit that "Key or Elite Veteran" status. I'll just play like I don't have a clue and then BAM throw out some common sense philosophy when the time is right.

Still good info though.
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07-17-2006 05:32 PM  14 years ago
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Here is another link that I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic...ve_pitch_mixing
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07-17-2006 05:32 PM  14 years ago
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The defininition of the acronym you linked to is being disputed and redirected to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic...ve_pitch_mixing

Even though they say "non-CCPM", they mention that an intermediate mechanical mix must be performed between the servos and swash for it to function.
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07-17-2006 05:47 PM  14 years ago
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Exactly as I stated earlier
No need to create another acronym for your "intermediate mixing" and create further confusion between people.

The whole thing goes back to knowing what you got. Do you need a CCPM capable radio or not. Simple. That is the only real effect it has on us. Equipment selection.

Notice that I had put that other link up also. I read them prior to posting it. I normally try to do that btw.
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07-17-2006 05:52 PM  14 years ago
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Well confusion exists without the extended acronyms which is why we started using them - People started wondering why the term CCPM was only associated with radio mixing when the same thing is also done mechanically at whatever degree of mixing. Most people can grasp this fine and no one seems to have an actual name for the mechanical mix version.
So here we are.
It's my opinion that it does have a name which is the same name as the electronic version just like any other mixes that have both mechanical and electronic versions that do the same things differently. But it's cumbersome for people to distinguish between the different versions when the electronic version gets a nice acronym and the mechanical version is left nameless.
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07-17-2006 06:04 PM  14 years ago
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Yes, any helicopter that has a sliding swashplate has to mix the functions together ABOVE the swash.

But CCPM, as a term, is a radio function and effects what is happening BENEATH the swash.

My guess is mCCPM, as a term, was invented as a marketing term to compete with CCPM.
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07-17-2006 06:04 PM  14 years ago
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Search party up!!!
We need to head up a posse and hunt that A$$hole down. Look at the rediculous mess he created. Can you agree with me that the acronym CCPM only relates to the equipment selection? I mean what else do you need it for? If I say the heli is CCPM I know right there I need a radio that will support it. If I say non-ccpm or Standard mix, I can use what ever radio I want. No special requirements. Very simple. No need to over engineer sh1t.

ask any beginer CCPM heli examples= Fury, Vigor, N9, Avant, etc.
Non CCPM heli's= Raptors, T-rex (non CCPM versions at least) Funny how they even say it in their product description isn't it.

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07-17-2006 06:08 PM  14 years ago
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So "standard" is the "actual" and "technical" term you've come up with then?

As far as I know the terms eCCPM and mCCPM were never used by the radio makers before they became very popular by us end users in these forums. They migrated to publications then found themselves in radio manuals and advertisements for radios.
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07-17-2006 06:12 PM  14 years ago
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And in closing
To sum up: eCCPM and CCPM are interchangeable terms. mCCPM and standard are interchangeable terms
Means someone came up with another means of describing something that was already perfectly understood by the masses. Why is the question? It was perfectly understood in the first place. Note how the e and m were not around in 03 04. So who started it? He needs to be sent back to the honey do list and refused access to the flying field. Oh!! Wait a minute... Maybe he should go and fly so he doesn't have so much time to think up new acronyms for something that is perfectly fine the way it is.

BTW I speak Jive too.
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07-17-2006 06:20 PM  14 years ago
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Since there is NO industry standard defining exactly what CCPM is supposed to mean... exactly, different manufacturers have used the term differntly. Hirobo comes up with thier own name SWM and HPM.
You pretty much answered your own question,people call it what ever they like. Sort of like the 9.0 ratio being higher than a 8.0 ratio?
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07-17-2006 06:20 PM  14 years ago
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As far as I know the terms eCCPM and mCCPM were never used by the radio makers before they became very popular by us end users in these forums.
They still aren't..... Look at any of the radio manuals and show me where it says eCCPM and mCCPM. My 10X, 9C, and 9303 don't mention it. Nor do any of the heli instrucion manuals for the heli's I have owned. And so you know I have had the following

Raptor 30
Voyager 50
Vigor CS 91
Tempest FAI 91
Fuy Extreme 91

And have flown and helped build and set up the following.

Vario Skyfox mechanics in an Airwolf
Voyager 50IMZ
Vigor standard
T-rex Non CCPM
JetCopter
Raptor 60
Raptor 91


Now is there any need to go down the list and elaborate on the control systems more than the CCPM or non CCPM labe describes? Absolutely not because it only relates to the radio needed to control it. No reason to relabel anything so you can clarify in your own brain what "actually" is going on in a control system.
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07-17-2006 06:21 PM  14 years ago
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They guy who came up with the extended acronyms is the guy who knew that both the electronic versions and the mechanical versions do the same things but the electronic version became exclusively associated with the acronym leaving the mechanical version alienated from it's actual technical term. He was not satisfied with referring to the mechanical versions as "standard" etc while the electronic versions get the convenient acronym that actually should describe both.

The issue was avoided all these years by ignorance or just playing dumb - But now people want to be accurate and use proper terms rather than play dumb with such terms as "standard" etc. People investigate the proper term for "standard" and come up with CCPM.
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07-17-2006 06:33 PM  14 years ago
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standard
Take a look at this link. Where in there does it say anything about CCPM? Whether in its description or in it's required equipment list?
http://www.acehobby.com/ace/TTR4839.htm

Now take a look at these..... I think you will get the point.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=JRP9060

I would pretty much say that is the standard use of the term CCPM unless you get on here and you hear e and m CCPM crap strewn about like your at a trailer park yardsale. I left my pocket change at the house for a reason cause I ain't in the market for any more crap.
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07-17-2006 06:36 PM  14 years ago
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I'm not talking about the standard "use" of the term CCPM - I'm talking about the use of the term "standard" - As in "standard mix".

People don't want to use the term "standard" anymore and want to call it what it really is. - Which is CCPM - So we be specific with extended acronyms which are quick and easy to type and are accurate IMO.
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07-17-2006 06:45 PM  14 years ago
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but the electronic version became exclusively associated with the acronym leaving the mechanical version alienated from it's actual technical term
OOOHHHHH!!!! So it really does relate more to the heli than what equipment you need to run it?????? I'm sorry for alienating the fellings of the "mCCPM" mixing for so long. How can I sleep at night now?!?!? Fou gotta be F$&%*n kidding me right?

It only is referenced to what gear you need. You wouldn't be an engineer would you? I for one don't want to change it. It makes sense in reference to what it's needed for and only what it's needed for. EQUIPMENT SELECTION.
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07-17-2006 06:46 PM  14 years ago
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Maybe I used a wrong word in there.

But all you gotta do is give me the proper technical name for the mechanical version to move this discussion forward.
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07-17-2006 06:47 PM  14 years ago
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Technical terminology, like all languages, evolves. The debate here is only about the terminology, which suggests that our unofficial heli 'dictionary' could use some editing as it evolves.

It suggests also that, while a strong case could be made that the terms 'eCCPM' and 'mCCPM' do a good job presently of accurately describing the difference in the way mainblade pitch mixing is accomplished, these terms have become very CUMBERSOME acronyms and should be tossed back into the alphabet soup from whence they came lest they begin acquiring even more letters until these acronyms are so cumbersome that neither heli can get of the ground anymore.

All in favor of revising the Unofficial Heli Tech Dictionary to clarify the archaic term CCPM and its bastard children eCCPM and mCCPM, say 'Aye.'

All in favor of a fresh coffa cuppy and a strudel, say 'Oy.'
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07-17-2006 06:51 PM  14 years ago
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Already owned realestate.
People don't want to use the term "standard" anymore and want to call it what it really is. - Which is CCPM - So we be specific with extended acronyms which are quick and easy to type and are accurate IMO.
Well the CCPM acronym is already being used. Sorry that house is off the market and it's not going up for sale. So find another acronym like mechanicaly mixed control system. Because you guys are relabeling an already standard term used to determine equipment requirements. Thus confusing people in the process. You guys should really be on the UAV forum or something. They would eat this Sh1t up. Bunch of engineers. When the manufacturers don't use your made up terms to describe their own products why should you feel obligated to come up with a name for it?
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07-17-2006 06:54 PM  14 years ago
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Thus confusing people in the process.
People are already confused, Shaw. This is partly why they won't come to an agreement on terminology.

Since terminology evolves according to common usage regardless of whether or not it makes sense, how much sense does it make to waste effort swimming upstream when the scenery downstream is equally worthwhile?
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07-17-2006 06:55 PM  14 years ago
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Hmm.. The terms v-tail, elevon, flaperon etc are being used mutually by both the mechanical and electronic versions of these mixes - Again, this phenomenon with not accepting the same term for the electronic and mechanical versions of the same mix seems to be unique to these particular heli mixes and to the heli community specifically. We have trouble with the name of the mix itself where in the plank community the mixes are called the same whether mechanical or electronic - that's just what they are. How would us heli types refer to and specify the electronic and mechanical versions of these other plank mixes? Would we start using terms like eV-Tail and mFlaperon and would people become confused and upset by this?

Most plankers only use the electronic versions these days so don't really have this issue - They transitioned uneventfully between the 2 versions - But we use both electronic and mechanical versions equally and find the need to specify our referrences with accurate terms rather than layman terms.
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