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07-18-2006 08:26 PM  14 years ago
Frolin

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Hey RCTaz,

I agree with you, this is what I hoped for with my recent posts...
With that said, I think that we have veared off course on this thread and would like to get back to where this thread was ment to be heading and that is to be bringing us together for the good of the hobby.
Maybe stop rehashing the issue and move forward, see what we can do different next time, and start talking fun about RC Heli's abd flying...


Has anyone had any fun flying RC Helicopters lately, and can share their experience?


Frolin
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07-18-2006 09:16 PM  14 years ago
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How about....
This Saturday the 22nd at the Target field off of 183?

I need an excuse to finish my new logo with the neu 1910 motor and 7s emoli.

Jess
Bones heal and chicks dig scars. Pain is temporary, but glory is forever. -- Bart Simpson
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07-18-2006 10:25 PM  14 years ago
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I will talk with the few members of my club and officers, but I see no problem with me hosting the next (small..lol) informal flyin at my home field, Lone Star Aeronuts in Old Settlers Park behind the Dell Diamond. It is a quiet, grass field. Our club is very small and with advance notice, would have no problem hosting a group of about the same size as we had Saturday. We only have about ten or fifteen active members and they have been very open to my helos. They even posted a picture of me flying on the club home page. I'll let everyone know after I speak to the officers and we can come up with a date in a month or so.

I already have learned from Sat's experience. We will have a sign in sheet where the pilots get the club rules on safety, and record their AMA number. Our club is so small, we won't have a problem with blocking off a period of time where it would be helos only.

I'll let everyone know in a week or so what I find out...Bill
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07-18-2006 10:39 PM  14 years ago
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How about....

This Saturday the 22nd at the Target field off of 183?
That sounds like fun but I will be at Lake Benbrook (Fort Worth) for the Heli Heat Wave funfly.

Its not that long of a drive and the more of us central guys the better
~Texas Renegade Rotorz~
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07-18-2006 10:42 PM  14 years ago
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Bill,
I think that is great. I have often thought about joining that club but there has always been one thing or another getting in the way.

In fact, when I bought my house, the salesman told me about your club when he found out I belonged in this hobby. I visited there once about 7 years ago before you got moved to where you are now. I talked with a few guys, they were very nice and welcoming. Then the city built a playscape right at the end of your runway!

IIRC, your club was out of commission for a few months until they found you a new place.

Recently, I had heard that the city was once again remodeling the park and your club was not in the picture. But then later I heard that it was. Are you guys planning a move in the near future? I would not expect it to be outside the park, but perhaps somewhere else in the park?

You guys have a nice field but it is a fairly small field. It would be nice if you guys could get something a little better in the bear future.

Just curious,
Joe

BTW, I won't be available for a FF, mini or otherwise this weekend. I have one more weekend of softball tournaments before I get a break. The weekend of the 29 and 30 is good for me and then the next week is the last thing for softball, Nationals. Then again, they will be at the fields north of the LS Aeronuts. Perhaps, I could skip out and go flying between my daughter's games?
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07-18-2006 11:16 PM  14 years ago
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That sounds like fun but I will be at Lake Benbrook (Fort Worth) for the Heli Heat Wave funfly.

Its not that long of a drive and the more of us central guys the better

Texas Renegade Rotorz
That sounds like fun but not enough notice. My wife would hang me if I told her I was driving to BenBrook this weekend.

I'd be up for hitting old settler's park for some food and flyin. Otherwise pizza and Target field sounds like fun to me. Wonder if pizza will deliver to "behind the chase tower"

Jess
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07-18-2006 11:17 PM  14 years ago
jestertooo

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Speaking of regional funflys, is there a list of the one's in Texas?

Jess
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07-18-2006 11:20 PM  14 years ago
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There's a list of most all funflys at Rick's: http://www.ronlund.com/The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.
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07-19-2006 12:17 AM  14 years ago
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Our field is small but more than sufficient for us. We are a very small club. There has been talk from the city of moving us up near the new water park but that is not projected for at least a few years, if at all. I was not talking about this weekend. IF we do it, it will be with advance notice and proper planning so as not to repeat the results of this past weekend, even though it was unintentional...Bill
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07-19-2006 04:10 AM  14 years ago
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Seasoned Planker gone Heli Hellraiser
Having been a member of HCAM since I was twelve years old, I have been welcomed from the day I brought my .40 sized trainer out till the day I got my Raptor 50. Joking around, I have been called a "traitor" but that is all in good humor. Until 2 years ago, when 3D planes were coming into popularity, I found a group of progressive guys, looking to push the envelope a little further. flying a plane like a Heli, prop hangin', ie 3D. This is were problems started.
1. These planes weren't P-51 mustangs
2. They didnt fly like a bat out of hell, in circles
3. They sometimes werent flying, but hovering

This was an outrage, all hell broke loose. Rules started popping up out of nowhere segregating a group of flyers, who in most cases had greater control of their airframes than the 100+mph mustangs that ripped through the sky. You can't do this there. You cant do that maneuver, it's unsafe. Then finally, 3D flying is just unsafe. More and more club members began to push the envelope more and more. More and more rules came into play and the lines began to draw themselves, and in most cases, parrallel to those of age. An article that seemed to rock the basis on which most of these "new rules" were based upon came out in a popular magazine. The article was written by none other than the big man on safety in this hobby. The AMA. It stated that in most cases of 3D flying, that this style of flying is safer than that of 100mph+ crop dusting. There some points made that seemed to ring clear.
1. The typical 3D pilot is one of exceptional skill, seeing as this style of flying would be somewhat impossible without such experience
2. Planes in a pre-stall and post stall situation have less built up energy as say an airplane that is traveling at 100 mph.
*given that these numbers may be a little exaggerated, a high speed airplane will always have more built up energy than an airplane that has zero airspeed or a very low airspeed at that.

This words changed a lot of these stigmata's that were placed upon this style of flying. I.E, It was accepted as a safe form of flying.


My point is, that this,in my opinion is only temporary. This club, having been a planker for the past 6 years, I believe is going to be progressive. Things in future of this club make it more and more appealing for them to accept us as full members with as much of a right to fly as they do. For example, those of you who attended Saturadys, unofficial mini FF, you might of noticed the appartments that were to your left as you entered MMSP. Due to the current boom in housing development, flight patterns for large airplanes have been restricted, due to a 'no overfly' policy that is crucial to keeping the clubs lease on the land. One crashed plane into an appartment or car or anything else could be the end of the club. This may be a bit harsh, but issues of this nature are occuring. From the way a heli fly's compared to that of which a plane fly's. The is no need to "final" or take a long base leg to bleed off energy. Heli's tend(not all the time) to produce less noise a than a DA 100 on a pitt's style muffler.(yet again exaggerated, but a little .46 on a pipe can produce big numbers on a sound meter). Flying heli's in the current space is easily accomlished. Plane's on the otherhand, there is little room for error. This saying, I believe that this club might have a bright future for Heli's and a grim one for large gas airplanes. That is just an opinion, not necessarily the way the club should look to progress towards(although I wouldnt mind it, I moved to Heli's for a reasons, they add an extra demension that changes things completely!) But then again, I do like to pull out the DA- 50 powered 80" CAP 232 for a spin.

Maybe, current heli pilots and those wishing to join the club should organize themselves and attend a club meeting to voice our opinions, calm the waters and maybe get something done about these reoccuring issues that pop up one after another. We all enjoy this hobby and there is bound to be common ground between the two groups, just might take a little digging to find it, but it is there.

Again, trying to have a non-biased opinion. All lot of these rules that these club members press on some of the club members are only for our safety.Heli's as we know aren't toys, nor are airplanes. They haven't seen or heard anything but the one or two occurances each year were a heli' accident is either fatal or where it results in severe injury. They do hear of the airplane incidents where a plane crashes into a spotter or some other person and ends in a fatality or severe injury. They take these into account too, but having flown with most people at the field for quite a while, there is a mutual trust and respect that is between the pilots. Unfortuneately they don't pass this on to new membersof the club and do seem to be extremely harsh and in a number of cases very malicious towards newer members that dont have this time aged trust, that the majority of the plankers have. This being very unfortunate for new members and very embarrassing for the members who display this attitude toward the future of this hobby. It is this behavior that I wish to see delt with but as they say, you can't teach an old dog* new tricks.
*codger

I would personally like to thank Javiar again for letting me try out those 600mm V's. I have decided that those will suite my needs, so I will be ordering some this coming Wed. Thanks again John and all for getting this whole thing together. Sure hope we can do that again, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks again for all those who helped me out. I cant seem to remember the the gentlemen who was instructing me on the tict-tocks, thanks again and there working out great!
Thanks again for all of your help,Hope to see another FF soon!
Eric


******disregard the grammatical errors, this is a blog and it dont count!!
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07-19-2006 02:13 PM  14 years ago
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Eric,
Thank you for a very fine post. Sometimes your maturity never ceases to amaze me! Hell, sometimes I could use a dose of that stuff, mind sharing some?? Seriously though, I appreciate your support and efforts. You are destined to go far, of that I have no doubts.

Sincerely,
John
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To All,

Ok guys, time for me to stand up and "take my medicine," so to speak. I have had some time to think about this and have also spoken to a few other club members and one officer, Matt C. One thing I did not want to do was drag the club officers and the club itself thru the mud. I know that some of us and some of them have acted out of anger and frustration, possibly saying things we didn't truely mean. I didn't want to end up having anyone personally attacked. They, just like us, are still human beings with thoughts and feelings just like all of us.

Though some of you may not believe it,(and I am just as guilty if not even more so) I think these guys are making an effort to try and accept us heli fliers as permanent fixtures at this field, it's just going to take a little adjusting and some effort and respect on both sides. If you step back and take a breath and put yourself in their shoes maybe it's not so easy as it may seem. Some of them have been doing this since before some of us were even born, and for me that's a pretty damn long time(I'm old). So all of the sudden these young "Whipper Snappers" show up with their wild looking, crazy sounding, beating the air into submission, flying all over the place like a Bumble Bee helicopters and at times it "upsets" their routine. I'm not saying it's right how sometimes things are handled, what I'm saying is maybe if we just take a second to calm down and think of how they feel too, well maybe we can all reach a happy place(Ha ha, KK!). I mean really, isn't that what we all want anyway? I know I do.

I, like all of you, and them, just want a place to fly, make some friends and have a good time. I think that this can still happen with a little bit of effort put forth on both sides. So first off, I would like to say that I am guilty of arranging the "mini-FF" and not handling it properly. Period. Once it started looking like more people than I expected were going to show up(Please, don't take this the wrong way. I, and many others, are THRILLED that you all came!) I should have contacted them and let them know that it looks like there's going to be a crowd, HELP! I'm sure they would have accepted that and handled it accordingly. And right now we all would not be in the mess we're in right now. And for that I apologize. It is not any of your fault, you were all visitors/guests. You did nothing wrong.

Secondly, I don't want to lose our field. I want us all to have a nice place to get together and fly and have some fun. Last night I spoke to Matt C. and he is going out of his way to try and smooth things over and it seems the Officers are being receptive. They DO NOT want to "Ban all helicopter pilots". Honestly, I truely felt that that is what they were planning to do and I had heard a few rumours but looks like I was wrong. So again, I apologize for that.
All they really want to do is try and prevent what happened that day from happening again. And by that I don't mean they don't want ya'll back, what I mean is they just want notice so the club can plan accordingly. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

What I would like to see happen is that all of us just remember the good times we had on that day(I know I had a ball!). For those of you who would like to step forward and join the field, PLEASE do so. If we step forward we can make a difference for the better. This club is trying and I know some of you may not feel that way and that's ok. I know that I am guilty of fanning the flames and I'm trying to not do that anymore. So, lets just let it go and have a good time. I'm sure that if we would like to have another little fun fly as long as I notify them in advance they will not have a problem with it. So lets move on and start organizing another one for sometime in the near future. We'll do it right and have some serious fun. If I understand it correctly, if we give them enough notice we will pretty much have the field to ourselves so no heli's and planes buzzing each other. Now that would be very nice!!

In short, do I/We have some legitimate gripes? Sure. Do they have some legitimate gripes as well? Sure do. But can they be overcome with results satisfactory to just about everyone? I believe so. So, lets all just brush this aside and step up to the plate and prove what ambassador's we can be. I am looking very forward to seeing some/many of you down here at HCAM. Thank you for your support and your time.
Sincerely,
John Prator

PS-For those of you still willing to join the field, please speak up here and be heard. Don't hold me to the exact number but I believe the cost to join for the rest of the year would only be $35. Also, shoot me a pm and I will get you heading in the right direction to get signed up.
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07-19-2006 02:39 PM  14 years ago
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Ok, just real quick I wanted to continue my "Roll Call" on people willing to join with us heli pilots at HCAM as well as provide the info to get signed up. Here is who we have so far stepping up and joining the club:

KennyS
Mike(RCTaz)
Jeff(Hunter67)
Javier(Defiant)
Steve(Sabrams)

Steve,
Sorry as I didn't catch your post offering to join up. Let me know if there is anything you need to get going.


John

Ok, here is the info on how to join.
To submit your membership application, contact any member of the club's Board of Directors or any club officer. If you are at the field, ask a member to direct you to one of these individuals. You may also submit your application at the monthly club meeting.

Or Send it directly to the HCAM Club Treasurer:
Jim Burdette
5204 Barth Road
Lockhart, TX 78644

If you have any questions, call or e-mail Him:
(Phone 376-6503, e-mail: tkb@texas.net)

You can also download the membership forms here:
http://www.hcamonline.org/join.htm
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07-19-2006 02:51 PM  14 years ago
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John,
Just as an FYI, I have been perusing your club's safety rules and by-laws on line. According to the bylaws, the current charge for new membership would be $30 + a $10 initiation fee for a total of $40. After the first of August, that amount will drop by $5.

Joe
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07-19-2006 03:01 PM  14 years ago
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Joe,
Thanks for the heads up, I wasn't counting July but guess I should have. Joe, I know you have some pretty strong feelings towards this field but would you consider giving them a chance and joining up? I'm sure that if you aren't satisfied they will gladly refund your remaining dues if you decided it isn't for you. Just a thought.
Sincerely,
John
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07-19-2006 03:07 PM  14 years ago
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John,
Yes, I do have some strong feelings on this. But, why do you think I have been poking around your club's web site?

We shall see.

Joe
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07-19-2006 03:15 PM  14 years ago
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John,
first of all I would like to say that I really enjoyed meeting and hanging out with you guys last Saturday. Though I didn't get my bird in the air, the time was enjoyable. I am truly sorry that things have turned out the way that they have, but where there is a will there is a way. So, with that being said and the fact that there is power in numbers count me in. Though I am one who steers clear of un-necessary drama, I am down to fight for what is right. So, add my name to the list.

R/

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07-19-2006 03:19 PM  14 years ago
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Joe,
I understand how you feel but hey, brush those feelings aside and come on down and fly with us and have some fun! Forget the past, if we approach this as a lesson learned and just push forward I think all will be well. Really, these guys are making an effort and I feel we should do the same. Let me know and I'll do what it takes to get you down here.

Sincerely,
John

Come on Gentlemen, lets hear from ya!!! get in on this, it's a very nice field with some great parking! Even got a Porta-Potty!!
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07-19-2006 03:25 PM  14 years ago
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BAMM!! Now that's what I'm talking about! Thanks Vince, I was hoping that you would join up. I appreciate it and am seriously looking forward to flying with you!!
John

Ok, now where are we:

1) KennyS
2) Mike(RCTaz)
3) Jeff(Hunter67)
4) Javier(Defiant)
5) Steve(Sabrams)
6) Vincent(Tracker640)
7) ??????? Who's going to be "lucky # 7??"


The Texas Renegade Rotorz are stepping up to the plate baby!!

Come on people uhm did you hear me when I said they have a PORTA-POTTY!?!? They've got parking.....they've got canopies and benches, paved runways, a clubhouse!! Tree's, there's even deer just walking around(no, you can't shoot the deer! ) in the open!!
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07-19-2006 03:44 PM  14 years ago
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..msg retracted, not worth the hassle and not trying to 'stir up', just trying to understand and move on to new subject
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07-19-2006 04:10 PM  14 years ago
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..msg retracted, not worth the hassle
Same here.....

John
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