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02-12-2006 07:37 PM  12 years agoPost 1
blackkat98

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Hello,

I am fairly new to the hobby and started with an E-flite Blade CP. Got it down pretty well. Now, I want to go to a nicer T-rex 450XL. I am pretty sure I want the HDE version because the mechanical mixing supposedly makes it more stable than the CDE. Now, what are the known, bulletproof electronics choices for this bad boy???

This is what I'm considering:

3 x HS-56 servos
1 x HS-50 tail rotor servo
1 x 430L brushless motor
1 x 35A ESC
1 x Futaba 6EXH Tx with 146iP Rx and 4 x S3103 servos
1 x Futaba GY401 gyro

Will this setup work well? Should I scrap the included Futaba servos and go with the 56's? Or can I use 3 of them and just get the 50 for the tail rotor? What's the scoop on the Futaba Rx? Is single conversion a big issue? I already have a couple of Thunder Power 2100 mAh batteries and charger.

Thanks

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02-12-2006 07:47 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Kevino_heli_man

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Don't go with the HS 50 on the tail. They are known for comming apart and don't have a good holding power. Go with a futaba 9650 and not worry about tail problems. The R146ip works good, I have one and I have great range. Some people will suggest doing a range check with an FM reciever to look for glitches that are masked by the PCM reciever but you still have to range check the R146ip.

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02-12-2006 07:55 PM  12 years agoPost 3
blackkat98

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Will the servos that come with the Tx work instead of the HS-56s? That would save me about $75 if they do!! I like the idea of having full Futaba electronics anyway. Motor and ESC will be Align included in the kit.

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02-12-2006 08:40 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Edge

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There are a lot of differing opnions on servos. Many use the hS56 servos, as do I, they work well. I've read where several good fliers are using the 3103's. I'm using some of these as well, and so far like how they perform. As to ESC's, you will read at this site that about all of the major brands are being used. It's seems there are those who use a given combination with out problems, while others use the same setup and have difficulities.

My experience with ESC's and the 430L motor is this, both the CC35 and the Align 35 get very hot running this motor. I have burned up more than one ESC trying to get the problem sorted out. The CC35 running 4 servos dosent seem up to the job. The Align 35 ESC has the heat sink on the outside of the srink wrap. Also dosen't seem up to the job (I know there is a thread here for modifying the heat sink placement if you want to fiddle with it!). The best solution I''ve found is to run a better ESC. The Knotronic at about $160 seems to be the best. However, I don't believe you need to spend this much to get good equipment. I am now using the Quark 33 ESC and couldnt be happier with the performance. The unit costs no more than the CC35, and it seems to have a smoother delivery of power to the motor, while running very cool with the large heatsink. I have also started using a separate 6V BEC. The result has been much crisper performance in the air. No hits, no misses, smooth!

My two cents!

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02-12-2006 08:45 PM  12 years agoPost 5
keyz

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blackkat98
for starters tell us how well you are flying and what your capable of
also what your goal on flying is to be , 3D /sport / flying ?
this will have a impact on the money you spend and type of equipment needed

If you need to get high , go and fly !

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02-12-2006 08:51 PM  12 years agoPost 6
blackkat98

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Ok, so here's my tweaked list:

1 x T-rex 450XL HDE kit
1 x Align 430L motor (new version with silver end bells)
1 x Quark 33A ESC
1 x Futaba GY401 gyro
1 x Futaba 9650 tail rotor servo
1 x Futaba 6EXH Tx with 146iP Rx and 3103 servos

Sound good? Any problems/changes? I am not interested in full-on 3D. I just want a good sport/park flyer. I am fairly decent at flying. Still a little shaky on nose-in stuff but getting better. I figure the T-rex will be much easier to fly (stable and rock solid) than the Blade. I will get a glow heli one day for the bigtime 3D stuff if I decide to get into that. Could I save some moolah and use the 240 gyro or should I go ahead and get the 401 and be done with it for good? Also, is the HDE version ok for my use or would the CDE be the better choice?

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02-12-2006 09:24 PM  12 years agoPost 7
wxerman

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Hey Black,

Your list looks good. Stick with the 401. The only other thing which was already mentioned is the ESC. I know your a beginner/intermediate but I would put out for the Kontronic Jazz. This is coming from someone that is happy with his Castle Creations 35 and never had a problem but I have just ordered the Kontronics Jazz so that I can start using different motors and battery packs without worry of issues. I wished I had just gotten it from the get go. But, I have also heard great things about the Quark 33. The only one I have never seen a thread on with cutout issues or overheating, etc is the Kontronics. In saying that, it appears that forum member Finless can make even the worst of gear work properly by carefully analyzing where the problems are arising. Most seem to be related to the carbon fiber frame which you don't need to worry about with the HDE. Make sure you get a Ferrite ring to put on the lead going from the ESC to the receiver. The Kontronics comes with one. Can't garuantee it makes a difference but it seems to have cut down interference for most. I used one before I got my Spektrum and never had any glitches. Good luck. You will still wind up being bling even when you think you are happy. Just read everyone's signature for proof. Good luck,

Jim K

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02-12-2006 10:26 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Edge

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Your list looks good! Agree with others, get the 401 gyro. Only other thoughts, read other threads here about Align swish plate. Press it apart and reglue as necessary. Otherwise, build carefully and make sure all linkage moves super smooth. You should end up with good flying bird!

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02-12-2006 11:28 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Gary Hoorn

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blackkat98,
I have been using Align speed controls for about 6 months now with no problems. They run my Lehner and my Align motors. I have not experienced the overheating they mention. Most overheating and high current consumption comes because of poor setups.
Get the 401 as you can use it later on a Nitro if you so decide. You can also use the Futaba servos on the HDE with no problem. A properly setup HDE will 3D every bit as good as a CDE. My HDE flew just fine until I destroyed it in an inverted crash, pilot error.
Gary

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02-12-2006 11:56 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Edge

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Again, recommed you get Quark or Kontronic ESC. Even with a first rate setup and everything super smooth throughout, the 430L motor along with servos and gyro seem to tax the capability of the CC and Align ESC's. I say this given you use internal BEC's of these ESC's. If you use a separate BEC, the CC and Align ESC's will be fine. Otherwise, fly the 430L hard and you are on the edge concerning overheating and inflight shut down. These things won't glide!

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02-13-2006 12:33 AM  12 years agoPost 11
Kermitdafrog

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Woodlawn?
blackkat98,

Just had to throw Woodlawn in (and Oak Terrace)

I was pretty much hatched in that area on West Canal Blvd. in '64, near what used to be the end of 70th st., the local weekend outlaw drag strip. Ah yes ... the 426 Hemi, 427 Chev, GTO, etc etc ad nauseum. Them were the days (25 cents a gallon for gas.)

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02-13-2006 01:59 AM  12 years agoPost 12
blackkat98

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Changed my mind to get the Spektrum DX6 with 4 s75 servos for $199. I am getting the Futaba 401 gyro but I'm gonna use the s75 servos that come with the Tx all around. Everyone is out of stock on the 9650 servos, so I'll try it with the s75 first. Any objections? It will work, right? The 9650 is just obviously better.

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02-13-2006 02:18 AM  12 years agoPost 13
wxerman

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Well heck, I thought the radio was a done deal in that you already owned one. Yep, the DX6 is great for your skill level and needs. The 75's will get you started but start looking under the couch for more pennies as they will need to be replaced about the time you master the heli. Not sure if anyone has run a 75 on the tail. I would also recommend an inexpensive Hitech HS-81 or GWS Naro servo for the tail. Both have the torque and speed and appear to work with the 401 without issues and the cost is affordable. I am personally getting an HS-81 as a backup because I can't see spending $60 for another 9650. What did you decide on the ESC?

Jim

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02-13-2006 02:27 AM  12 years agoPost 14
blackkat98

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goin with the Quark 33A ESC.

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