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02-12-2006 12:33 PM  12 years agoPost 21
Yugdab

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Have you also noticed how every reviewer in magazines says "The cost of this kit represents absolutely fantastic value for money". What crap!!! What makes the JR Parkmite so special at £375 just for the kit. I bet at half that price they still would make a massive profit. Is it twice as good as the Swift? Because at £399 that comes with the motor and ESC as well.

If things don't change... they'll stay as they are!

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02-12-2006 12:37 PM  12 years agoPost 22
z11355

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there is usually a good correlation between # of advertising
pages taken by a specific mfgr/disti and the 'fanstatic value' or
'seriously deserves your consideration' or 'sets a new benchmark'
type tripe in 'reviews'.

Most everyone is a wh0re.

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02-12-2006 12:56 PM  12 years agoPost 23
Patriot

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This issue is about foreign manufacturers not applying a common gobal pricing policy and cherry picking profitable markets.
I would have throught that the US fall into this status i.e. profitable market, yet the prices there are a fraction of what we have to pay. I'm not trying to have a go at anyone, but ask how we are suposed to suport the models shops with the mark ups that. Shops in the UK have to pay their way so they put their bit on, when I worked for a dealership we worked a 20% margin, but who can anyone justify 420% on US and HK pricing.

Just smile

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02-12-2006 01:02 PM  12 years agoPost 24
Stu.

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Well if we are going to have a go at our politicians then lets do this. Give Scotland full devolution and then the likes of Gordon Brown and all the other Scottish MPs can go back to Scotland for good and not set foot in our Parliament again.
if we did that we would all be happy, and we would have taken all your oil form the north sea.

If Scotland had all the revenues from oil rather than it beeing diverted down south, we would all be better off

Its a much bigger issue.

:-)

Stu.

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02-12-2006 01:16 PM  12 years agoPost 25
Thumper

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Patriot, when I got my 14MZ I was told that their margin on the retail price was about 20%. They then gave me a deal so maybe they made 10% or so. Thats not a lot on a £1600 radio. And they helped me 3 times on the phone with set ups etc which got me flying for the weekend.

Regarding the US market, it is one of the largest in the world. The distributors there can probably negotiate better prices. In simple terms it is discrimination against one market over another, which I guess is capitalism and the free market in operation.

I just don't like being discriminated by some of these companies. I guess maybe we should show a similar level of discrimination if we were being true to market forces.

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02-12-2006 01:27 PM  12 years agoPost 26
Thumper

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Oh, yes the Parkmite

What is all that about? Have you seen the price with a brushless motor and Lipos etc I agree the magazines really do make me laugh. Why doesn't someone just say the obvious. "This is a ridiculous price for a micro heli which does not even perform as well as many contemporary available machines"

I thought JR were a little strange to launch a high end heli and call it a Vibe. Its a bit like lauching a TV and calling it 'Blurred', maybe they worked out the Parkmite price at the same meeting

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02-12-2006 02:27 PM  12 years agoPost 27
SkateFreak

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Rite.
I'm just thinking, whats my best option to be fair.
I have to admit, i go to inwoods and see they actually have the most resonable prices i have seen in the UK, but then i log on and see that even with some of the best prices avaliable in the UK, its still way over the odds compared to the other forign markets
I dont know of justification other than they get away with it...(can anyone fill me in as to why they do?! Although i wouldnt be supprised if it was government based)

Now i will admit i used to order from the US, but have been buying from inwoods for quiet a while again.
But i'm wondering again if its worth buying from the more benificail markets...

Surly this would just make things worse though...
If we all turned around and ordered from forign markets then the heli stores would be forced to close down...
Surly there must be some way to force these stores to lower their prices...

We need to put together a plan and take action. I know so many people who love the idea of my helis, alas i'm addicted and went from working every spare minute at collage to working 7 days a week after i left collage just to afford to put together my helis...

Everyone thinks i'm a nut now *grins* but with prices as such... how can you not what with it costing so much to meerly breath in the uk

I dont know about everyone else but i really think something should be done about the prices over here...
I'm sure many of you agree but we need some stratagies...

If we can get more stores to sell at competitive prices, they'll pull more custom thus forcing others to follow...

Sorry, but i'm a scientific nut so i dont know much about markets lol

Just my 2 cents i guess

-Jvr

Non-3D heli pilots are planker spys trying to bring down the heli community from the inside - Topher

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02-12-2006 02:53 PM  12 years agoPost 28
MattJen

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[/quote] i think the award for the most creative pricing goes to motor's and rotors,i got charged £8 for a small plastic head button that was smaller than a 2 pence coin,and even then,it doesn't attach properly to the head block,it just pushes in

Hee hee made me smile,
i dont mind rotors and rotors,When dave is in a helpful mood he is really good and can offer a lot to help, he has helped me on the odd occasion, (it was snowing) but i will say one good thing about motors and rotors they do always answer their emails, even on weekends, be it two or three worders.

The only time i just shook my head in disbelief was when i needed some screws for my fury, they were 3.00 for a pack of 10 i bought 2 packs it came to 11.00 which included 3.75 for post, when the package turned up it had a 1st class stamp on!!!!!! nice little earner,

this is one reason i am getting rid of my fury, but then again i have gone JR Venture and their back up service is really CRAP, they never have enough parts, i was recommended to buy a load of spare parts with my new venture kit as spares are hard to get hold of i know some of the sponsored pilots for JR and even they have trouble gettting back up parts sometimes a wait for 6- 8 weeks. which does not bode well for us peasant pilots.

Where as i have to say for motors and rotors 9/10 they do have the parts.i just wish their customer service was bit more friendly.which is sad cos i now alot of fury owners have gone and bought direct from the states and even though they have got stung with customs they still save on average £75.00, which raises another sticking point, why are M/A and others selling direct to the UK via on line web sites and comepting agianst their own agents/distributors in the UK, this may mean that sometimes their prices have to be higher to compete with that,
but the trouble is, it then becomes a nasty circle never ending.
thats my say anyway,

Matt

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02-12-2006 03:05 PM  12 years agoPost 29
MattJen

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[quote]
if we did that we would all be happy, and we would have taken all your oil form the north sea.
If Scotland had all the revenues from oil rather than it beeing diverted down south, we would all be better off
Its a much bigger issue.

Now that post did make me laugh, i would never cross a glasweegen,

but i would say Hadrian had the best plan!!!

only J/K

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02-12-2006 03:07 PM  12 years agoPost 30
Yugdab

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SkateFreak

What you need to do if you are serious is to get together with the people in your club for example and bulk order everything you need collectively from the US or Hong Kong.

If things don't change... they'll stay as they are!

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02-12-2006 03:15 PM  12 years agoPost 31
Yug

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Time to draw up plans for a matter-duplication machine. Build one perfect heli, stuff into machine with plenty of building atoms, and Voila.

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02-12-2006 04:44 PM  12 years agoPost 32
nivlek

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Time to draw up plans for a matter-duplication machine. Build one perfect heli, stuff into machine with plenty of building atoms, and Voila.
Yes , but it would still be cheaper to do the duplication in the States or HK .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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02-12-2006 04:58 PM  12 years agoPost 33
Yug

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Not nececelery, I'ne nearly got a cardboard and string prototype working in my shed. Now where did I put that doobie

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02-12-2006 05:00 PM  12 years agoPost 34
nivlek

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The other big plus , if you duplicated in the far east , you'd be sure that they all looked the same .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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02-12-2006 05:03 PM  12 years agoPost 35
9387ASH

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Putting my head up over the wall on this one.......

We the importers have to pay for ALL shipping from Japan to the UK, we then have to pay Import Duty, VAT etc. We then have to add a markup to take care of.... Overheads such as Gas, Electric, Corporation Tax, Council Tax, Mortgage, Staff Wages and then a little amount of profit. Now bear in mind that my wages are less than they were in 1996 when I left the Armed Forces. !

Now add in the same problems that the Trade shops have..... Tax, Council Tax, Business Rates, Gas ..... etc etc....

We are NOT ALLOWED to sell direct as that would be a breach of the Distributors Agreement, plus it would seriously pi$$ off our trade customers.

As we are a much smaller nation than the US, we do not order in the same quantities as they do. Hence we do not get the same discounts for bulk orders.

However...... I do believe that good news may soon be in the offing........

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02-12-2006 05:07 PM  12 years agoPost 36
nivlek

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However...... I do believe that good news may soon be in the offing........
So , are Horizon buying out MacG ?

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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02-12-2006 05:15 PM  12 years agoPost 37
MattJen

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[/quote]We are NOT ALLOWED to sell direct as that would be a breach of the Distributors Agreement, plus it would seriously pi$$ off our trade customers.

If that is the case MAc Man why can i go to M/A in the states and buy a fury and have it shipped ? when they have a UK distributor,

whereas if i try the same with Vario they just direct me back to John,(john white models uk vario ) which is how it should be,i even know of a case where someone desperatly needed a vario part spoke to Germany they agreeed to ship it as John wa sout of stock, but germany invoiced him through John, showing complete loyalty to the Uk distributor,

they seem the only one to do that,

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02-12-2006 05:22 PM  12 years agoPost 38
Thumper

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Haha, £3.75 for a first class stamp that is so typical Dave W. He probably still thought he was doing you a favour.

Even so, you've got to feel sorry for him with Miniature Aircraft. I mean how many people actually bought their machines in the UK, yet those same people still expect him to have parts, give advice on setups etc, just because MA don't have a proper margin for export markets like the UK and rest of Europe. It beats me why he still makes the effort to go to the shows etc and promote their products.

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02-12-2006 05:28 PM  12 years agoPost 39
9387ASH

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Nivlek,

I hoped for that last year (and the year before) but apparantly HH didn't want to spend that much on us..... ( They bought Helger Racing instead)

Mspot72, we are allowed to sell spares direct to customers, but complete kits is a no-no. How would you feel as a Shop who sold JR Heli's then found that we were undercutting your price ? Me thinks that Teddy would be well and truly thrown out of pram less arms, legs and head !!!
But we are not allowed to sell direct, neither are we allowed to supply kits to non-assigned areas. Ths is a big thing with JR, we are all assigned areas and poaching isnt allowed.


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02-12-2006 05:30 PM  12 years agoPost 40
MattJen

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Mac Man

you mean to tellme you can actually get hold of Jr spares??? WOW
tell me your secret!!!!!!

Hee hee

[quote]Mspot72, we are allowed to sell spares direct to customers, but complete kits is a no-no. How would you feel as a Shop who sold JR Heli's then found that we were undercutting your price ? Me thinks that Teddy would be well and truly thrown out of pram less arms, legs and head !!!

Why can't you sell the kits, ? sell at RRP which is what you must send your kits out with to suppliers, they cut prices amongst themselves anyway cross bonussing etc, thats an old sales tactic,

Thumper

that is a good point you made about Dave, he does support them in a big way and they stich him up, i dont think it will be long before M/A becomes a scarce model, i know a few people are switching myself included


Matt

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