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02-11-2006 02:16 AM  12 years agoPost 1
Blown5.4

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Well, had the blade cp about 2 weeks,one week of that was waiting on a new 4in1 that went south on me. Got the 4in1 today,replaced main shaft,spindle,blades,tail rotor,and mainshaft bearings. Got her all trimmed out and was in the air about 2 minutes,landed on the back end...........result........back to the hobby shop tomorrow for another mainshaft,spindle,main frame,tail rotor, and blades. Think that should about cover it(stop laughing!)
Man, this is some hard !@#$ to learn!!!!

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02-11-2006 02:31 AM  12 years agoPost 2
CLSSY56

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I spent about a week scooting around the basement floor. Once I felt comfortable and a little more guts I started making little hops. Just keep practicing, you'll get it. I'm now hovering around and landing on a card table, sometimes I'm getting antsy now though, want to get it out in the open and open her up to see what she's got. I use to fly electric fixed wings, so I think i can get it to come back to me hehhehehhe

-Travis
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02-11-2006 02:39 AM  12 years agoPost 3
muck

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St. Clair Mo.

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Hi Blown;

From my short stint with electrics,Those little buggers
are a bear to fly! I have a box of shogun pieces in my shop.
That thing cost me a small fortune to keep in the air!
Finally I gave up on them and bought an Evo 50 and I'll never
look back! The electrics were way to fragile for my taste.
Move up to a 30 or 50 nitro, you wont be sorry. Also invest
in a good sim. That's all I got to say about that

EVO 50 HYPER,JR 9303,8311's,401/9253,MP/2SHOGUN

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02-11-2006 02:40 AM  12 years agoPost 4
Tioli

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Kona, Hawaii

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I tell people, it IS possible to fly, even though it may seem like you're never going to get it. I've discovered there are a couple ways to approach flying:

1. go slow and careful. this way your goal is the mechanical safety and soundness of the model so you have something to practice on...stay an inch off the ground till you're really ready to hover higher.

2. go for it all, crash, repair, repeat. This philosophy served my friend Mark very well. Lots of repair bills and repairing but you make relatively quick progress...

I chose #1...

d

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02-11-2006 03:44 AM  12 years agoPost 5
Dmtalon

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Florence, KY

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Do you have the "training gear"? That's a big help, and I also put a piece of fuel tubing on the end of the tail support to help keep it off the floor further :-)

I'm, as of today, two weeks into my Helicopter flying. Never flew ANYTHING before, and bought the Blade CP.

I've been through quite a few sets of blades and a few main gears, one landing skid. But two weeks later and I can hover it pretty good "tail in" I can move it around and land it on marks on the floor, or on top of a box (not always but most of the time).

I did prove to myself today that I am *NOT* ready for side in hovering as I had a nice crash which lead to a new main gear and blades :-(

I'm still really nervous when it gets much higher than me, but I'm learning :-) I've got a LONG way to go!

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02-11-2006 04:03 AM  12 years agoPost 6
heliboy1023

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Tinton Falls, NJ

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Sell it, buy a good sim, like real flight G3, then buy a better heli. The blade is ok if you want something cheap to mess around with, but you need to learn how to fly first on a sim, or a large heli before stepping up to micro's. You will easily spend a few hundred on fixing it, so just stop now, buy a sim, practice hard for 2-4 weeks, then try flying again. It will be night and day.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

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02-11-2006 09:08 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Squirrlybird

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Suffolk, Va US

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I learned on a hummingbird v1 . It took a very long time, but eventually I was able to fly figure 8's in my front yard and got really good with precision hovering. I later got the bladecp and G3. That is when I began inverted stuff. I now, 2yrs later, have a Joker and a trex/x400 hybrid. I keep the Joker dirty side down, but the trex400 has grass stains on the blades and spends most of its time inverted. Still can't fly backwards though.

I learned using Tioli's method 2 philosophy (Crash,fix,fly,repeat). I have countless crashes on the blade, 6 on the trex400, 0 on the joker. The secret is flight time. The lack of heading hold gyro on the blade is not a vice. It will make you a much smoother pilot.

My point is, dont get discouraged. This is a very rewarding hobby due to its difficulty. It is a tremendous feat to just hover a helicopter. It is also a tremendous feat to set one up correctly. The only way to get better is with time. Learning to hover is the hardest part. After that, you will find new ways to learn to hover all over again (side in, nose in, inverted, chaos).

With all that said, the best way to get better is with stick time. The best way to get stick time is with a sim and good support on your heli. If you find yourself getting sick of the blade, then quickly get something better. If you are tickled with every flight then keep it. DONT BE DISCOURAGED.

Good luck

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02-11-2006 10:43 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Jimmi

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Southern Ca. U.S.A.

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Couldn't of said it any better myself good post Squirrlybird. Jimmi

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02-11-2006 02:25 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Blown5.4

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Texas

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Sad thing is, I do have the training gear and fuel hose on rear tail support! LOL! I may go buy a 50 raptor and try it. I probably could have had a good down payment on one after all Ive spent on the Blade repairs so far. I was only in the air 2 minutes this time,but Im having a blast everytime I fly it. Thimk Im gonna do what Tioli suggested. Im alitle discouraged with it since its just a mangled mess of wires right now,but Ill fix'er up again and go at it. Its only money!
Makes me feel better seeing all of you didnt pop up in the air hovering and flying inverted on the first few attempts! LOL! Ive went inverted,but in no way was it on purpose! LOL!
Thanks for all the reply's

Blown-

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02-11-2006 03:27 PM  12 years agoPost 10
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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Just remember one thing if you crash the raptor 50 your repair bill will buy you a new blade cp everytime, maybe even two, if you go in hard....
Get the hovering down first If you can't hover in all directions how do you figure you can fly????

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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02-11-2006 05:40 PM  12 years agoPost 11
CLSSY56

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Waterloo IL

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heliboy1023, that was a pretty crappy response. I'd perfer to fly a real heli over a sim anyday. Everyone is different though.

Tioli is right on the money with his reply:
1. go slow and careful. this way your goal is the mechanical safety and soundness of the model so you have something to practice on...stay an inch off the ground till you're really ready to hover higher.

-Travis
HorizonRcFlyers.com

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02-11-2006 07:56 PM  12 years agoPost 12
BikeNBoatN

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Santa Ana, CA USA

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Using Radd's School of Rotary Flight helps quite a bit, as long as you have the self-discipline to actually follow his instructions. Also, the more sim time you have, the better, even if it's a simple sim like FMS.

Brent.

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02-12-2006 04:33 AM  12 years agoPost 13
akshaw

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Plymouth Meeting, PA

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While learning, I did use a sim and still ended up spending a few hundred in repairs, LOL. But I do think using a sim has made a BIG difference and recommend it. My first attempts at flying were before ever trying a sim, and it seemed virtually impossible to know where to begin to keep the little bugger in the air for more than a few seconds. It would go up and then lurch into the ground and break (unless I was lucky). This went on for about two months until I got a sim. About two weeks after setting up a sim on my pc and practicing hard at hovering, I could hover the real thing. But in spite of practice on the sim, I kept crashing (albiet less and less frequently) until about six months after beginning when it just clicked. Now i still crash, but it's usually when trying new things or flying when I know I shouldn't (due to weather or time of day). I still find the sim useful for trying new things or brushing up on things i have tried but would like to get better at (like nose in hovering). If you want to go the cheap route, get FMS. It's graphics are excellent and though it doesn't have training programs in it like G3, you can always read ( http://www.raptortechnique.com and http://heliguy.com/nexus/learning.html have great exercises to try on a sim ) and use your imagination to find out how to do new things. If you search this forum you can find a blade cp model that runs on FMS. (And somewhere, I don't remember where, there is a T-REX model, which is super twitchy, that can be downloaded.) The only hitch with FMS is that using it isn't entirely free. A cable is needed to connect your E-Flite or ESKY tx to your pc. There are two types of cables I've found on the web when I was looking for one. There is one that plugs into any com port (desktop only) and one plugs into any usb port. If you don't have a desktop you'll likely want to go with the usb cable. ( http://www.milehighwings.com has this type for something like $44.)

Don't become disheartened. There is a steep learning curve in the beginning, but once you get through it you'll be hooked. To me, pushing one of these little suckers around in the sky has to be one of THE coolest things I've ever done in my life.

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02-12-2006 02:56 PM  12 years agoPost 14
TG540EDGE

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Blown
just stick with it, you will get it. stay out of the wind, and be smooth with the cyclic and you will be very comfortable soon.

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02-12-2006 04:41 PM  12 years agoPost 15
BikeNBoatN

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The FMS TRex model is at TrexTuning.com. If you don't want to buy an interface cable for your Tx, you can use any video game controller that has two joysticks. Doesn't have the same "feel" in your hands, but it will still teach you the basics nevertheless.

Brent.

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02-13-2006 03:12 AM  12 years agoPost 16
Tioli

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Kona, Hawaii

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I flew my Shogun and Sceadu .30 today for the first time in a week. I'm continually amazed at how much help a Sim is. I use the G3 and it not only keeps my skills (such as they are) up to par, but it also advances them! On the G3 I fly the twitchiest heli I can and really throw it around the sky. I spend as much time inverted as possible. When I fly the real thing, I'm not freaked out by seeing the heli in different attitudes (I'm not doing inverted on the real thing yet, haven't even looped!).

d

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02-13-2006 03:22 AM  12 years agoPost 17
rdlohr

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Pittsfield. MA USA

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Buy a T-REX!!!! I still fly my CP, but I crash it every few times I fly it. I fight the tail the whole time I am in the air. I haven't crashed my T-REX in about 30 flights so far. It is like night and day. The second benefit of buying a REX is that you build it. Building it is not only fun, but you learn so much in the process. Keep playing with the blade but buy a T-REX!! Keep flying on the simulator too, thats essential.


-#-> Still Flyin, crashin and lovin it!

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02-14-2006 07:43 AM  12 years agoPost 18
Drew7601

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N.M.

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helicopters hard to fly
i know thay can be a pain. but when you get the hang of it, you will be more confedent, and learn quicker just start small.

Loving life! Flying helis.

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02-14-2006 12:12 PM  12 years agoPost 19
twinring

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japan

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I tried everything. (actually I havent) It is true that a bigger heli does fly more stable. the sim was an expensive lesson of high hopes. Dont get me wrong, many guys swear by them, but the sim never saved me any money from buying parts. I would practice stuff on the sim with all the variables turned up like wind, updrafts, bugs, snakes tornados, hurricanes lions, tigers and drunken cats, only to go out on the calmest of days and crash trying the same thing I was practicing without crashing on the sim.
I started on a blade (CP2) and bought a Honeybee King (Bell Hiller, shaft driven tail) then bought a QJ8. Im only now starting to enjoy the CP2 now that I have more experience and confidence.

I think the best advice I could give anyone starting out is


1. Side in Hover, If you learn side in both port and starboard,
you are halfway there to just about everything, Side in will open new doors to you like forward flight, fig.8s.etc.

2. Have a flight plan. even real pilots have one. Set a goal that you would like to achieve before you get that bird off the ground and complete the goal.

3. Dont try flying on windy days. Dont get me wrong. This can be great practice, but not when you are just starting out. I cant remember how many times I rebuilt my machine, set it all up, charged the batteries. loaded up the car drove out to the field only to crash 2 minutes later on a windy day.

4. patience. If I crash my CP2 these days its usually trying something that Ive never done before, and I dont get upset, I actually laugh, because Ive crashed this thing so many times not even trying anything. If I attempt a manuever and pull out of it Im a happy man. and it was all worth it.
Enjoy...

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02-14-2006 04:51 PM  12 years agoPost 20
bbeverlie

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Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

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I agree with BikeNBoatN, I use FMS ( got it with sim on ebay $50 )
and if you go to, http://www.rc-sim.de/dl_engine_eng/...1aaeb6619a5c9f2

You will find lots of FMS helis and also landscapes, planes, blimps
you name it people have made it fly It may not be the best program
but it helped me alot and it's cheap to start out with!

I also highly recommend Radd's school of flight it works and
will make you understand heli flight!

AMA#846952

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