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HomeAircraftHelicopterJR Heli Vibe 90/50, Sylphide 90, GSR260 › Why is so expensive?
02-10-2006 09:57 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Helibras

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I'm considering buying a JR AirSkipper 50 in the close future but the price really disapoints me. It is so far from its competitors.

What specification AS50 have to justify its price, compared to a Raptor 50 or Sceadu Evo 50?

Do you think this price will drop in the future?

Thanks


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02-10-2006 10:02 PM  12 years agoPost 2
z11355

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New England

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JR machines and parts have always been expensive and in the mind
of many, excessively overpriced.

I think that's one of the primary reasons their market share is
so low.

They must have a German doing their marketing.

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02-10-2006 10:15 PM  12 years agoPost 3
balsapro

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In the past jr helis have always been high quality stacked metal frame machines. But in recent years with new technologies for designs, resins and such they have been left in the dust. Especially in the us market. the airskipper is nice machine but you could get more heli for the money going a diferent rout.

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02-11-2006 02:16 PM  12 years agoPost 4
felix12

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I have a venture 30 and I must say that I notice the difference here on the price of parts and their availability, I wish I'd bought a raptor. My dealer tells me that JR think they are superior and have a very condescending attitude. I plan eventually to use the venture as a back up machine.

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02-12-2006 01:45 AM  12 years agoPost 5
Gearhead

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Helibras,,, I'm very sure the A-Skipper is a much better made/ built heli than a Raptor, I was serous about buying A-Skipper till I saw it does not come with blades, so yes I do think it is a little over priced, for $550 you can buy a Sceadu and add $150 in goodies, or simply buy a Raven and be quite happy with it stock...

now you JR guys don't jump on my back, I'm not knocking the A-Skipper, I just simply feel without blades it's over priced,,, as the other 4 do LOL

Jim

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02-12-2006 01:50 AM  12 years agoPost 6
z11355

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true but then again, I wouldn't put the Raven in the same class
as the AS or Sceadu.

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02-12-2006 02:03 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Gearhead

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LOL right, I wouldn't ether, the Raven doesn't throw flybars or have plastic balls on it's tail

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02-12-2006 02:24 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Helibras

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So, it’s a clear consensus here about AS being overpriced but I didn’t have that feeling about JR being such overpriced company since Vigor and Vibe have prices compatible with direct competition.

They are more expensive than R90se and Freya though but I guess Fury and Vibe are one little step over them in technology, don’t you think?

So, if AS50 is also that small step above the others (fiberglass canopy) how much would you say will be right for the streets? I would say something like $400.


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02-12-2006 02:42 AM  12 years agoPost 9
Gearhead

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well now that we are into it,,,

the Raven, Raptor and Sceadu all sell about $400, so being a JR and not having the traditional plastic split type frame I would say would pay $479 that is if it came with a good set of blades like the ones on the Raven, but I have to say putting the Venture tail box on it with those plastic balls is cheap of JR..

Jim

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02-12-2006 05:10 AM  12 years agoPost 10
Shortman

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Portland, Oregon

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One thing that is definately nice is JR's building/setup manuals. They sure do go above the rest when it comes to that. I wish they would sell the Slyphide models here in the US, would be interesting to see how those would do.

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02-12-2006 03:42 PM  12 years agoPost 11
onemetre

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Mansfield, Tx - USA

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Something not being valued is the fact tht the parts come in the kit to make the AS either CCPM or Manual mix. The metal head parts should count for something as well. It adds to the cost of the kit.

I don't place much value on the blades coming in the Raven box. IMO, you get quite a bit of technology with the AS. When compared to the Raptor SE and the uprated Sceadu it's right in there price wise. BTW, LHS price in my area is $498. If I was in the market for a new 50 I'm not sure what I'd buy. the As would be strongly considered.

The plastic tail piece is for those who just have to upgrade something on every the own.

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02-12-2006 03:46 PM  12 years agoPost 12
z11355

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I doubt the Sylphide would do well in the US.

It's not 'our' flying style and few folks are going to
spend that kind of $$$$ on such a machine.

Note the 'success' of the highend Hirobo Eagles or Ky. Caliber.

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02-12-2006 06:30 PM  12 years agoPost 13
Gearhead

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I have a friend that has a Sylphide, he's an expert patten pilot, he specializes in backwards patterns, the Sylphide is one beautiful heli for sure, I'm sure it will 3D very well if setup for it, but as said most would not pay $900 for a 50 size heli,,, the blades that come in the Raven's kit have been improved, they are much stiffer than they were, they are much better blades than some $80 and $90 blades I have flown...

Jim

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02-12-2006 09:07 PM  12 years agoPost 14
HeliMart

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Shrewsbury, UK

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I have been a Venture owner, a Raptor owner and an Evo owner, all good flying helicopters but when you look at the quality of componants and price of spares I'm afraid the Venture in my view was very poor, especially the tail pitch slider bit. It broke a main blade grip eventual (that wasn't nice). The cost of parts to repair almost payed for a new Evo, what does that say?

Martin

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02-12-2006 11:11 PM  12 years agoPost 15
Buzzin Brian

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College Station, Texas

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"The plastic tail piece is for those who just have to upgrade something on every the own."

I disagree here whole heartedly. I looked one of these kits over in detail a few days ago, and the tail is less than impressive. The control balls on the tail blade grips are plastic, and are molded onto the tail blade grips. The same for the ball on the tail pitch slider. The swashplate was half plastic which suprised me. And the head is not metal. The blade grips are. Otherwise the head looked like a Venture head to me. Yeah there are a few differences to the head. But for the most part that is what it is. That is not for the guys that are looking to upgrade something. IMPO I agree with Wasp, it is simply being cheap. How many think that plastic balls is actually a good idea? And how many would exspect to find them in a $500 50 kit? Same goes for a plastic swashplate. I know I wouldn't. That would be like Z bends on a $1000 90 kit. In that case I would find it cheap as well. The kit looks ok, but for the money I was not that impressed. It looks decent, but a few small details would have made it quite sweet. And likely IMPO worth what they want for it. As it is, I think the price is to high. But that is MY oppinion. If you disagree I am fine with that.

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02-13-2006 07:10 AM  12 years agoPost 16
Fish Eagle

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Cape Town, South Africa

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I think you guys are blaming the wrong people for the high prices of JR equipment in the US.

Consider that I can get an Airskipper with OS50 Hyper engine for R5800.00 compared to a TT Raptor 50 SE with TT 50 engine for R5200.00.

I do agree that the tail case on the AS 50 is a disappointment compared to the high quality of the rest of the kit. But once again, the tail cases on all of JR's mid range helis have always been a disappointment.

I think considering this that a fair price for the AS 50 in the US should be about $465.00.

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02-13-2006 07:21 AM  12 years agoPost 17
Fish Eagle

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OK, I just checked CyberHeli's price on the AS50; $500, so maybe some of the blame should go to JR.

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02-13-2006 02:41 PM  12 years agoPost 18
GCguru

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Exit 164, NJ

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Well I bought the AS50 and a OS50 Hyper this weekend. Should be in at the end of the week. So, it seems like the tail and possibly the swash/head need some TLC. So will the vibe tail directly fit on this? What about the swash? I'll just upgrade it over time. In my mind the price between this and a rap50 v2 is insignificant, especially considering I hate those plastic frames.

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02-13-2006 11:14 PM  12 years agoPost 19
Windspiel

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Massachusetts

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I have the AS50 since early December the only thing that i had to replace was the tail pitch slide and arm from KSJ
the slider wore on the second flight and arm cracked buy the ball socket
Another thing I had to replace was the starter cup stripped out replaced with a KSJ
I did replace the swash with a Quick UK wasn't needed but wife ask what i wanted for Christmas
Also replaced frame spacers to a Quick UK again not needed but had a fist full of cash to spend
Overall it is a great Heli I have gone from raptor to EVO i really like it

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02-13-2006 11:21 PM  12 years agoPost 20
Gearhead

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so what did you pay for the heli and how much do you have in it with the KSJ and Quick parts ??

Jim

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