RunRyder RC
 4  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 1237 views POST REPLY
HomeOff Topics › To RAID or not to RAID?
02-10-2006 04:41 PM  12 years agoPost 1
dasd

rrVeteran

Carol Stream, IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'm trying to get a "point in time" copy of my Windows XP hard drive without going to RAID 1 and without running a lengthy backup program. Is there a way to get a RAID 1 effect without installing a RAID controller, another disk, and then reloading Windows? I don't care if the backup drive is bootable, I just want to be able to recover files in case I have an unrecoverable HD crash. My plan would be to install a same or larger capacity HD into the PC cabinet.

Thanks in advance.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 04:43 PM  12 years agoPost 2
xJediXx

rrApprentice

Tucson, AZ

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

What do you mean by "point in time"? I have someone that could help you with this.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 04:50 PM  12 years agoPost 3
dasd

rrVeteran

Carol Stream, IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Example: Every day the primary Windows disk (bootable) is copied in its entirety.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 04:53 PM  12 years agoPost 4
ScareCrow_Delta

rrVeteran

Sebastian, FL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Every day the primary Windows disk (bootable) is copied in its entirety.
Network back ups are also available with checksums where the back up drive is standalone and connected to the network.
EDIT:
you do't need to back up the disk on its entirety everyday. Get a back up software that backs up files that has been change since the last back up. This is done only after you make a full back up then it keeps track of changed or created files.

~~~~ Defy the laws of gravity....gracefully ~~~~

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 05:17 PM  12 years agoPost 5
dasd

rrVeteran

Carol Stream, IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Correct me if I'm wrong; I can't install a RAID controller and another disk without reinstalling the OS?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 05:57 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Drunk Monk

rrProfessor

Preston, UK

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

You should really reinstall windows to add a raid controller and connect your main drive to it because as soon as you change ide controllers, windows will through up a blue screen with the message "inacessable boot device" and that's windows stuffed.

However, you can use a program called sysprep that is on the windows disk to remove all the registration info and boot info so that when you reboot windows on the new controller it asks you for your registration infomation again but it also seems to remove the ide controller infomation as well. This allows you to swap motherboards and controllers around without having to reinstall windows all the time. I've had a lot of success doing this when working on customers upgrades, but I've also had a few failures. It's worth a shot though

sysprep the drive, install raid card and attach the drives, reboot and see what happens, just back up your data first


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 06:11 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Leif

rrElite Veteran

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

RAID is NOT the same as doing a backup.

If you establish a RAID mirror, the only thing it will protect against is failure of one of the hard drives. Anything that manipulates the files through the file system (accidental deletion, overwriting files, virus corruptions, etc) will apply to BOTH copies of the image while the mirror is active.

The only way to use a mirror set for backup is if you subsequently "break" the mirror and power down one drive. This is not very easy to do unless you have hot-pluggable drives. I do this on my servers before performing a system upgrade or major modification, as it allows me to "revert" to the previous setup with minimal effort. Of course, during the time the mirror is broken there is no redundancy.

The easiest way to achive what you want is to use a removable hard disk backup system. You want your solution to allow for disconnection of your backup from the OS, so you don't risk corrupting the backup if you get hit by a virus.

Leif

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 06:35 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Drunk Monk

rrProfessor

Preston, UK

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I have 2 80GB drives in my pc and I use a program called disk shadow. This runs as often as you want and be configured to back up any directory/files and is very configurable. I use it to back up about 5 directories on my pc that contain all my info and set it to run every hour but can be set to run every 5 mins if you feel the need. It can do full synchronisation between different folders to make sure they are the same, back up changed and new files or create a new copy every time it backs up.

Cheap and very reliable, never had a problem with it. Might be worth looking into as you said you don't need the backup drive to be bootable.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 07:01 PM  12 years agoPost 9
dasd

rrVeteran

Carol Stream, IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Thanks for all of the replies. I'm thinking an external USB hard drive and a good backup program solves my issue. I agree that RAID 1 is OK as long as a virus doesn't infect the system I can do a backup of the entire drive if needed and then disconnect.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 07:15 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Drunk Monk

rrProfessor

Preston, UK

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Symantics ghost program is good for doing a complete drive back up to another drive, fully bootable or to an image. Not the quickest solution but can get a machine back up and running quickly if you need to restore.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 07:43 PM  12 years agoPost 11
dasd

rrVeteran

Carol Stream, IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Both Ghost and Disk Shadow look good. Decisions...decisions

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 07:49 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Drunk Monk

rrProfessor

Preston, UK

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Ghost works in dos but is controlled by a windows app, you tick the boxes, it reboots in dos and does the deed then reboots into windows. You'd have to check whether it would work with your usb drive. It does have some functionallity to work with usb, but being dos or pc dos I think they use, it's limited. But it's cheap to buy. Also you can ghost your drive to dvd disks if you have a dvd writer. Great if you have your system just the way you want it, nice time to make an image


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 09:32 PM  12 years agoPost 13
zoom boy

rrKey Veteran

N.E. Lincolnshire UK

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The way I do it is I use thee drives, 1 20GB one for the OS etc, and two 80GB ones RAIDed, everything that is things I've done is stored on the RAIDed drives, and the basic applications are on the 20GB.

If something happens like a virus or spyware that I cant get rid of, then I just format the 20GB drive and reinstall, the RAIDed drives are not affected, since the format deletes the driver for the RAID card, so they are inaccessable and not even reported as being there even in DOS.

So there is no chance of accidentally installing the OS onto that drive.

Plus I dont have to lose capacity like you do in a mirrored setup.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-10-2006 11:55 PM  12 years agoPost 14
DS 8717

rrProfessor

Here wishing i was somewhere else

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Maxtor makes a backup External Sata drive that come with a program to do a copy of you primary disk. You press one button and it copies only the information thats not already on the back up drive.DOUG

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 12:28 AM  12 years agoPost 15
Temjin

rrApprentice

Walnut CA, HsinChu Taiwan

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Maxtor is no more



Life is short. Offend as many people as you can. - Tom Leykis

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 12:40 AM  12 years agoPost 16
SolarXtreme

rrVeteran

Arroyo Grande, CA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

You can create a mirror drive set as long as both drives use the same interface. You need to use the DISKPART utillity. Search the Microsoft support site for some good information on how to use DISKPART and it's capabilities. You will be using the "add" command to create a mirrored drive set. You can later break them using the "break" command.

Also RAID is good for redundancy but is even better for performance. A RAID configuration will yeild faster performance than a single drive configuration.
.

I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

Avant EFX
Freya EVO

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 12:56 AM  12 years agoPost 17
arthurk

rrNovice

Melbourne, Australia

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Symantec LiveState will do what you want. It can take snapshot images at preprogramed times multiple times a day. Great for servers and workstations. Great for rolling back from installs etc.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 01:08 AM  12 years agoPost 18
Topher

rrVeteran

Rochester, Michigan

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I think if you have a HD image set up on a seperate hard drive and just write over that image often it should work fine. You can write a RAID HD image to any hard drive IDE or what ever. I would just buy an external hard drive and back up your RAID HD images onto that.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 01:20 AM  12 years agoPost 19
DS 8717

rrProfessor

Here wishing i was somewhere else

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Maxtor is no more
Life is short. Offend as many people as you can. - Tom Leykis
Maxtor back up drive..............
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822151025
Also if you have an Intel board with the ICH5 south bridge you can create a Raid 0 or 1 from an already exixting single drive,just by adding another drive..................

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
02-11-2006 06:20 AM  12 years agoPost 20
Temjin

rrApprentice

Walnut CA, HsinChu Taiwan

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Maxtor is bought out by Segate



Life is short. Offend as many people as you can. - Tom Leykis

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 2 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2     NEXT    >> ] 1237 views POST REPLY
HomeOff Topics › To RAID or not to RAID?
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 4  Topic Subscribe

Tuesday, June 19 - 4:17 am - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online