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02-09-2006 04:04 PM  12 years agoPost 1
aambrose

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I know this has been touched upon in the past, and I've struggled with whether I should even ask about it here on RR, but I'm curious if anyone doing AV professionally (ie. the video is associated with a business) has had any problems using copyrighted music as the soundtrack to their videos for hire or promoting their business.

I realize if you're making aerial videos just for fun/hobby and in no way you or the videos are related to a business then I'm guessing you are allowed to use copyrighted music in them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

As professionals, shouldn't we be abiding by the copyright laws since our own work (video/stills) could be used for profit without our permission?
(and we wouldn't like that)

Thanks!


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02-09-2006 04:25 PM  12 years agoPost 2
HawkEyeMedia

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Yep, you're right Tony. I've used copyrighted music in my videos, but they were "just for fun". Now that I'm doing promotional videos for HCS and others, I've purchased access to several royalty free music sources and am using music I have copyrights to. Good royalty free music isn't cheap. Cheap royalty free music sounds like '70s porn music.

My opinion is if it's something I'm gettin' paid for, it needs to be music I have copyrights to. It's kinda like obeying the speed limit, I know it's 60mph, but I drive 70 like everyone else does. I know that doesn't make it right, but.......

Now, if I do a wedding video for a customer, and they provide me with music they want in the video, is this a copyright violation?

I just put together another "fun" video of some stuff we shot and used music I purchased. It turned out rather nice. There is good music available, you just have to look for it and be willing to pay $$.

As professionals, it is important that we do the right thing and set professional examples.

Mark LaBoyteaux
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02-09-2006 04:30 PM  12 years agoPost 3
Smithprod

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Don't get me started!

If you're in business and using copyrighted music, you're playing with fire. It's illegal. Period. I've said it before on here, but I'll make my point again. If you're trying to be professional, then act professional. PAY for your music! We don't want people stealing from us, so don't steal from other artists.

"I realize if you're making aerial videos just for fun/hobby and in no way you or the videos are related to a business then I'm guessing you are allowed to use copyrighted music in them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this."

It's still illegal. Sure, it's a 99.999% chance that nothing will happen, but it is illegal.

I've never had any problems because I pay for my music, but I know someone that has had MAJOR ($$) problems.

"As professionals, shouldn't we be abiding by the copyright laws since our own work (video/stills) could be used for profit without our permission?"

Exactly!

Brad

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02-09-2006 04:40 PM  12 years agoPost 4
R Hudson

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You are correct, Brad.

Just look at bars for example. Almost all bar owners pay for a blanket license to use copyrighted music since they make money at their bars.

BMI and ASCAP monitor bars pretty closely and penalties can be pretty stiff.

Best to play it safe (and legal) if you're making money with whatever you're using music for.

Unless you write your own music as some of us may do from time-to-time.

Rod

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02-09-2006 04:40 PM  12 years agoPost 5
HawkEyeMedia

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Yeah Brad, I've seen your opinion on this before!

And you're right, do the right thing. I've spent several $100 last month for subscriptions to descent music.

I need to go start going through my videos I still want to use and replace soundtracks with new music.

Mark LaBoyteaux
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02-09-2006 05:13 PM  12 years agoPost 6
aambrose

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I want everyone to know that I was not indirectly pointing my finger at anyone in particular. I posted this for all of us to discuss. Because of this dilemma, I disabled the videos on our website a few months ago until I get some royalty free music to put behind them.

Brad,
Sorry I got you started! Thanks for not coming down on me about this in the months past! I'm sure you're well-versed in this area, more so than most of us. Why is it illegal to rip a track from a CD that you bought and put it behind your home videos as long as you're not selling them or somehow promoting a business? (ie. "Little Billy's First Moments" set to a track from your personal CD collection.) In fact, don't the video editing/DVD authoring software boxes state that you can do this?

Also, I would think even if you aren't officially "in business" but are promoting your future business by having a video with copyrighted music behind it associated with your future business's name and/or website that it would be just as illegal.

Thanks again!


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02-09-2006 05:28 PM  12 years agoPost 7
CrashTestDummy

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Copying music from a CD you own to a video for your own personal use won't likely get you into trouble. However, if you copy music from a CD you own to a file and distribute it to others, then you're in the area of sharing copyrighted material. I don't think the law distinguishes between what type of file contains the material (i.e. MP3, MPG, WMA, WMV, etc.).

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02-09-2006 06:06 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Smithprod

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"Copying music from a CD you own to a video for your own personal use won't likely get you into trouble. However, if you copy music from a CD you own to a file and distribute it to others, then you're in the area of sharing copyrighted material. I don't think the law distinguishes between what type of file contains the material (i.e. MP3, MPG, WMA, WMV, etc.)."

I would say that's pretty dead-on! Remember, the copyright protects what the music was intended for, which is to listen to it personally. It does NOT allow you to combine it with other media formats.

With that being said, sure I use copyrighted music from CD's that I bought, for my own family videos, for use in my home. But, that's as far as I go.

Brad

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02-09-2006 09:08 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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I'm not going to get into all the red tape here. But, once again I'll share a secret that'll save you guys a lot of headache's.

Man these manufacturers should be paying me for the advertising I do for them......

"Sonicfire Pro" by Smart Sounds

create royalty free music beds from a library of discs.....the kicker is you can create a piece to fit the exact length of the piece you're working on. And it's wizzard driven for those of you that aren't musicians.

your welcome
Ant

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02-10-2006 12:48 AM  12 years agoPost 10
R Hudson

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Great info, Anthony!

I hadn't heard of that before. Looks like a nice product. I still enjoy music composition, but this would be a very quick/easy solution for most applications.

And YES. They should pay you

Rod

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02-10-2006 01:04 AM  12 years agoPost 11
Smithprod

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Anthony, I'm still looking for my royalties from Canopus, but, alas, nothing...

Brad

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02-10-2006 01:29 AM  12 years agoPost 12
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No Kidding Brad, I have been using/promoting the canopus line since 1999 with the DVRex M1 board. In fact it was Rich Aponte and I who started the NJCUG.

I'm no longer holding my breath for royalties, but I still enjoy a nice conversation with Nate every once and awhile.

regards,
Ant

Anthony J Francese
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02-10-2006 01:32 AM  12 years agoPost 13
Art-Tistic

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On a side note, Tim Ryan and Steve Wernick of the 4Ever Video Association are trying to put together a blanket user agreement for event videographers and it looks quite promising.....something to keep an eye on.

-Ant

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02-10-2006 05:36 AM  12 years agoPost 14
xcellgasman101

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Thanks for the post Anthony, Great info,, I think I'll order that,, I'm sick of the music that come with my editing software,, XGM

John Crotts
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02-10-2006 05:45 AM  12 years agoPost 15
HawkEyeMedia

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Yeah, thanks Tony, after our discussion Canopus really should pay you for the promotion......I love my new Canopus Edius ND editing system!

Now I need another paying gig to cover the cost of Boris Red :D

Mark LaBoyteaux
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02-10-2006 03:50 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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02-10-2006 03:54 PM  12 years agoPost 17
aambrose

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Matt - I'm just guessing the answer to that is "no". I'm sure others will know the definite answer.


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02-10-2006 04:04 PM  12 years agoPost 18
Smithprod

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A most definite "no." Unless, of course, it comes with a check.

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02-10-2006 04:11 PM  12 years agoPost 19
aambrose

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See! Told ya! Thanks Brad.


Tony

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