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02-09-2006 12:15 AM  12 years agoPost 41
GyroRon

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FlyFalcons... would you be willing to put a wager on that? You are partly right, here is a more detailed explaination....

On a experimental homebuilt aircraft, once a year it also has to be inspected. For experimentals it is called a " condition inspection" It is somewhat like the inspection a Certified standard category plane such as a Cessna 150 is required to have done once a year - called a " Annual inspection "

If you built the experimental AND APPLIED AND RECIEVED a repairmans certificate for that plane then you can legally do the yearly condition inspection.

Otherwise if you don't have that repairmans certificate - which you can't get if you bought the plane already built and flying - then you must hire a A&P mechanic to do the inspection once a year.

Another bit of difference is on experimentals a standard A&P mechanic is sufficient for the condition inspection, where as standard cat planes like Cessnas and Pipers etc... require a A&P IA to do the sign off for the inspection. A&P IA's are typically more expensive to hire than plain jane A&P's....


NOW for the kicker!!!


No matter what common sence tells you, or what you think you may have heard.... It is totally legal for anyone - and I mean ANYONE - to do work on a experimental. The only time a A&P is required is when you do the yearly condition inspection. By anyone I mean you could have a 4 year old child turning the screwdrivers, or your wife, or the kid who mows your lawn, the guys at the local Sears auto center.... ANYONE. And they can do just about anything the plane needs including modifications, All without a repairmans certificate and without a A&P sign off. About the only thing you can't do is to mess with the transponder if the plane has one.

Again, I don't mind being wrong about something, but this I am certain on and would be willling to place a might high stakes bet on.

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02-09-2006 12:23 AM  12 years agoPost 42
GyroRon

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Want to hear a real shocker no one will believe, but is true....?

A person with any type of private pilots certificate - powered certificate, glider and ballons don't count for this..... Any PP certificate, say single engine airplane for example.

This person can fly ANY experimental aircraft legally without a type rating - so long as they are solo in the aircraft, ie... no passengers

So a person who went to the local flight school, took lessons and earned his PPL in a Cessna 172, Legally can fly solo a experimental helicopter or gyroplane, or even a experimental airplane on floats or tailwheel etc... All without any further endorsements in the log book or even the first minute of training in type.

Like I said it is a shocker and almost noone believes it till they look up the regs or talk with the FAA or EAA directly.

The rules governing experimentals are pretty relaxed....

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02-09-2006 12:23 AM  12 years agoPost 43
Flyfalcons

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You can also have anyone work on your certified plane, as long as a 311 form is filled out. But if you buy your experimental plane used, you can't do the annual inspection on it because you aren't certified to. Besides, if I didn't build it then I'd much rather have a certified mechanic inspect it anyway.

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02-09-2006 12:27 AM  12 years agoPost 44
GyroRon

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inspections yes, you are 100 percent right. But lets say the mags need replacements, or the carb needs overhauling, or you want to recover the plane.... whatever.... Anyone can legally do these things. No 337 forms are needed and no A&P sign offs are needed either.

Of course if you didn't build it and get the repairmans certificate, and you take it to a A&P for the once a year inspection, he may not want to sign off the plane if your maintance was and still is questionable.

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02-09-2006 12:34 AM  12 years agoPost 45
Flyfalcons

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That was it, 337, not 311. I did know the part about being able to fly any type of experimental plane with a single license, which to me is the most screwed-up rule the FAA has come out with. It's one of the reasons I refer to the EAA as "Experts in Amateur Aviation". I love experimental planes but some of the flying I have seen by EAAers has been borderline scary, if not outright dangerous.

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02-09-2006 12:36 AM  12 years agoPost 46
bobc1

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ATP MEI CFII ~3700TT since 1978. My dad was an instructor in B17's & flew B29's in combat in WWII & got me into flying in a Beech Sport.

I own a 1965 C310J, which hasn't been flown much since becoming ADDICTED to RC helis about two years ago. Retiring soon, hope to have more time to do everything...yeah, right.

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02-09-2006 12:38 AM  12 years agoPost 47
Secondchildhood

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I am currently restoring a Quicksilver MX ultralight that I hope to be flying this spring. I have had instruction in a MX2 and really enjoy the open air feel of an ultralight. (reminds me A LOT like ridding a motorcycle but it flys) Re: Gyros- A good friend built a Sparrowhawk last winter and we have really been enjoying it this winter. As much as I like the MX, theres something to be said about liquid cooled engine (Suburu) and a nice warm heater core blasting into the closed cockpit on these cold winter days. And then there's that rotory thing :^) The Gyro would definitely be my choice if my budget allowed it. Nothing cooler than coming in over the end of the runway at 1000' and scrubbing the airspeed to 0 and then just kinda hangin there (with a little headwind)or slowly settling it down just like a heli. My bud who owns the Sparrowhawk has 17k hours as a commercial pilot, and has been flying gyros recreationally for years, so when he lets me fly his (dual controls) I feel confident that he can bail my butt out if'n I screw up :^) All in all, whether it's a ultralight, a "fat" ultralight, or Experimental, I think that there is a thrill in them that Gen Avaition can't give you.

Dwight

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02-09-2006 01:04 AM  12 years agoPost 48
fitenfyr

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Hey Ron....

The other factor you missed is being 6'5" and 280lbs...

Kind of knocks me out of the 152 game as it is no fun to fly alone.
Trust me I have considered it especially with 50 hours to go for my commercial.

There are some great experimentals out there, but I run into the same problems.
It is hell being a big fat guy.
Can't even finish up my rotory because of it. Too heavy for an R22 and there are not many 300's around here. If only some poor old rich person would take pity on me and support my education.

Jason Stiffey
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02-09-2006 01:17 AM  12 years agoPost 49
Par_18

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I'm starting my flying career with the US Marine Corps. I'm going though a program called IFS right now where I get to do 25 hours of flight training in a small training aircraft. After that, I will be doing some infantry officer training here at TBS in quantico, VA.

So, by october, I will be heading down to pensacola to start flight school. I just might end up in one of these:

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02-09-2006 01:18 AM  12 years agoPost 50
GyroRon

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Jason, yeah most airplanes and helicopters were designed around 170 pound pilots and passengers... Heck most Women these days are over that mark There is a few experimentals out there that could fit you.

Dwight, who is your friend? I know most of the people flying gyroplanes, curious who he is. Of course the Sparrowhawk is at the upper end of gyroplanes. It costs around 40 grand now for the kit... But a friend out at the airport I am hangared built a gyro called the gyrobee from free plans downloaded from the internet and using a used Rotax engine and getting some good prices on materials he swears he has less than 5 grand in his. They are alot of fun!

Ryan, I am not trying to be a arguementive type.... But I have seen some airline pilots on their off days buzzing around in experimentals, gyros and ultralights doing some extremely stupid stuff too. There are some dumb people walking the earth and a pocket full of ratings does not always mean much. But to give credit where it is due, MOST ATP pilots do fly with more caution and do generally use better judgement.

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02-09-2006 01:37 AM  12 years agoPost 51
vortechZ230

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300 hrs, Cessna 152&172, Two Hangliders, Eipper & Wills Wing, Two motorized ultralights, Petrodactyl Ascender,Quicksilver MX....Been to 8000 ft., in the Pterodactyl, What a rush!!!

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02-09-2006 01:52 AM  12 years agoPost 52
gmcullan

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PP rated SEL, with aero, taildragger, SES, and glider time. No full-size heli time, too big for a R22. I'd either have to leave out the instructor or the fuel. Unfortunately, I'd need both! LOL

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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02-09-2006 02:04 AM  12 years agoPost 53
UCGC

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Colorado

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Comm. SEL & MEL. CFI, CFII, & MEI for me. Some turbine time. Funny, RC got me into the real thing at first. I gave up RC to devote my time to teaching. Now back to RC . The cycle continues

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02-09-2006 03:10 AM  12 years agoPost 54
CWOAV8R

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Commercial Intrument Helicopter... TH-55, OH-6A, H500, UH-1(M,H), AH-1(P,S,F), OH-58A+, 206-L3, and 407. Working on my plank license (C-182).

Hovered my first R/C helicopter the day I soloed.

I tried flying upside down once... but I couldn't take the blood rushing to my head.

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02-09-2006 03:44 AM  12 years agoPost 55
JTerrell

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Boeing 737 - 200/300/500/700/800/900
Embraer EMB-120
Embraer ERJ-145

Also fly full scale aerobatics.

Pitts/Decathlon ETC.

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02-09-2006 03:52 AM  12 years agoPost 56
Alton Aircoupe

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privot pilot single engine land, Own and fly regulary an Alon A2A

aircoupes r us /If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it,s probably a helicopter

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02-09-2006 03:53 AM  12 years agoPost 57
Flyinrazrback

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USAF Pilot here. ATP, CFI/II, MEI, DPE. Started off flying corporate (Citation II, Beech 400s, Falcon 10s), got tired of that so did something dumb like join the AF, flew B-52s and now about to transition to an A-10 air national guard unit (part time)

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02-09-2006 03:59 AM  12 years agoPost 58
fitenfyr

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got tired of that so did something dumb like join the AF
Hey isn't that bass ackwards?

Jason Stiffey
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02-09-2006 04:36 AM  12 years agoPost 59
merlin3

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I fly about every other weekend with a friend of mine but haven't had the money to get my ppl. I am looking at purchasing a 150/152 in the next month to get my license in.

Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
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02-09-2006 04:57 AM  12 years agoPost 60
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Yep, I kind of went backwards, corporate was boring and tired of being gone all the time, and wanted to blow stuff up, so thats how I ended up here. Active duty sucks with all the deployments to support the war of imperialism lol, so thats why I am getting out and going to the guard.

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